In response to the slew of school shootings in the last couple of weeks, Democratic California governor, Jerry Brown, has signed a new bill into a law which bans concealed weapons on school campuses.
The bill, sponsored by the California Police Chiefs Association and the Peace Officers Research Association of California along with the University of California and California State Universities, requires students (or anyone associated with the university systems) who have lawful concealed weapon permits to get permission from campus authorities to have them on school grounds.
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Concealed carry owners can still carry firearms within 1,000 feet of public or private K-12 schools, but not anywhere closer on its grounds. It also allows university campuses to decide whether or not to allow concealed carry, and exempts retired police or military personnel.
SB 707, sponsored by state Sen. Lois Wolk, a Democrat, was introduced earlier in February, but stalled until news of Oregon’s shooting brought the gun debate up in the California Assembly. Of course the NRA wasn’t happy, and lobbied heavily against the measure, and another gun group, the Firearms Policy Coalition, stated:
If Governor Brown Signs SB 707, we will file for an injunction in federal court at the very first opportunity.
Good for Jerry Brown and the California Democrats for taking steps to ensure the safety of their students.
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Good, we need some sanity in this country…
They should just ban murder in general.
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I think this law is a mistake. Hear me out on this.
When the laws were passed in the 1990s making it a felony to sell drugs within 1,000 feet of a school, the law failed to stop crime because it was found that in all but the most rural environments, you’re likely to be within 1,000 feet of a school at any given time. The drug dealers didn’t stop selling. They just had no incentive to stay away from schools because they knew they were going to be in trouble no matter where they did their business.
The Heller case ruled that bans on firearms in schools are completely within constitutional bounds, but this basically makes California a carry-free zone, even for those with permits. It’s unlikely that such a large distance will withstand scrutiny when it goes to court.
Wait wait, criminals don’t follow laws?? WHO KNEW!?!?!
Turning a completely open area like a college campus into a gun free zone is the true mistake here. Course when do the libturds in CA care at all about freedom OR safety?
Jesus, do you ever stop whining?
Get a box of tissues and just get it out of your system already!
We shold have no laws because crimals won’t follow them anyway! No laws traffic, abortion, theaft, intelectual property, theft, assalt, murder
Repeal Heller, It totally ignors half the second amendment.
When asked what the Militia was, George Mason, one of the Framers of the U.S. Constitution, said, “Who are the Militia? They consist now of the whole people, except for a few public officers.”
This does not mean that we can’t revisit the second amendment and regulate arms for the safety of the populace.
Already happened. DC v Heller 2008 ruled that the 2A is an individual right, and that certain gun regulations are constitutional.
It does not restrict any state from writing legislation governing restriction and regulations. Safety regulations governing guns within family and vocational setting can be written. Safety was at the center of the founding fathers focus. Tyranny appears to be from the nra not the government.
You made a statement that the NRA is Tyrannical. Why are they Tyrannical? Also understand the NRA was for background checks and even more. The problem is the dems want gun registration. If the dems dropped gun registration and just had the expanded background checks like the NRA wanted we wouldn’t have some of these issues. Understand that 90% of the gun crime wouldn’t be stopped by background checks,.
Any organization that allows for the increase in death of the contrived citizens represents a tyranny. They are no longer putting the rights of the populace ahead of the rights of the individual. The second amendment was developed to protect the welfare of the citizens from the tyranny and control of outside dictators the nra and weapons organizations are tyranical as they are not protecting the populace! They are only in it for profit!
Wrong, wrong, and WRONG. You have no idea what the word “tyranny” means, and you’re just using it as a hot-button to push your agenda. The NRA does indeed work to help the populace to protect itself. Who would be protecting them under your plan? The government? You DO realize who the biggest mass murders in history are, right? Governments.
The NRA has hardly any money at all when compared to other lobbying groups in DC, yet they are one of the most influential groups out there. Why? It’s not because of their lobbying, nor is it due to the small percentage of donations they receive from gun manufacturers, it’s from the millions of gun owners in this country, who, in the words of one “geeky liberal”, don’t support being lied to and lied about.
http://liberallygeeky.blogspot.Com/2015/10/its-not-nra-lobbying-blocking-new-anti.html
The nra does not protect the nstion. They are focused on the mighty dollar. They are the tyrannical dictator who allow for distrust ion of the children, minorities, and populace. There is not governmental protection of freedom and rights. There is only the all mighty dollar.
Tired, old debunked LIE. The NRA actually has very little money compared to other lobbying groups, and they receive very little money from weapons manufacturers. The NRA is all about maintaining our freedoms. In order for regular people to purchase weapons, those weapons have to be manufactured and sold. The NRA also advocates for equal gun rights for all. All major gun control pushes have actually come from those trying to restrict rights for minorities. You know why open carry has been banned in so many places up until recently? Give you a hint: it has to do with the Black Panthers and their open carry demonstration several decades ago. Gun control represents the height of racism and misogyny.
So when blacks do it it’s not ok. Sounds pretty racist to me. Study up on the black panthers, they were not the violent group they were made out to be.
You’re right, gun control has always been racist, always been a way for the powers that be to keep down minorities and other regular people. The NRA actively advocated for gun rights for ALL citizens. It’s the gun grabbers that are worried about black people having guns.
Tyranny is. cruel and unfair treatment by people with power over others
Plus, you have to add to this the fact that gun owners do not trust politicians to keep their word. Even those that swear up and down that they will never use universal background checks to create a registry cannot be trusted to not change their minds, or to have no say in the matter after they retire and a new generation of anti-gun legislators use these background checks to create a registry they never promised not to create. The government doesn’t need the type of power over us that universal background checks would give them.
They have it already. Get a hunting licences, the government knows. Join a gun club, the government knows. Join the nra, the government can access that information. Put up a booth at a gun show, your registered at the show.
Wow, so clueless. We do not yet have a national registry of gun owners, and only one state (Hawaii) and DC have state-level registries. In fact, DC recently overturned their handgun registry. The NRA does not share their membership lists with the government, and even if they did, the NRA does not ask its members to tell them which guns they own. C’mon dude, your ignorance is showing.
Not a dude. I own three guns and one of which is a semi automatic 22. I would happily register my guns, to save the life of one child.
That’s the problem, your registering your guns wouldn’t save anyone. I feel the same, by the way, but gun registrations don’t work at all to lower crime rates. Canada had a long gun registry for years, which was disbanded a few years ago because it didn’t work at all. DC had a registry that did nothing, it was disbanded recently. Sorry, but registration only causes harm to lawful gun owners, nothing more.
:Tyranny is cruel and unfair treatment by people with power over others
The NRA exercises no power over you or anyone else, they represent their constituency. The NRA’s “power” comes from the millions of individual gun owners that pressure their representatives to represent their interests. What the NRA DOES do is give gun owners a voice in our democracy. Your ilk are the ones attempting to exercise power over us, it’s called gun “control” for a reason. “Tyranny” is almost exclusively used to refer to governments exercising cruel and unfair power over the people. Sorry, but you’ve got this all backwards. The NRA has no power, only the people they represent. There is simply no arguing this simple point.
They control our congress, so they control the government. They inflict laws that allow yahoo’s in southern red states to leave there guns laying around so children kill each other. What about the rights of these citizens? What about the guy in Texas who shot some other guy in the head at a football game, should he have had access to a gun? When you distroy the liberties of others it’s tyranny. These gun executives are Distroying the liberty of hundreds of thousands of people. If the government did this you would be the first to cry tyranny. I call tyranny against the arms dealers and those in Congress they control.
The NRA does not control the congress you buffoon, this is yet another of your tired, debunked lies. The NRA is a LOBBYING group, not some sort of shadow government. They lobby congress in the way that all other lobbying groups do, and it is the CONSTITUENCY of each congressman/representative that will vote them out of office if that rep tries to infringe on their gun rights. The PEOPLE control congress, and the people have agreed that our gun rights are important. It really sounds like you don’t know how our system of government works, or perhaps you do, and you just don’t like the way it works.
You really should stop your whining and stereotyping. Perhaps you should remember that there are only about 600 accidental shooting deaths per year, and only about 11k intentional gun homicides per year, a very large percentage of these directly tied to inner city poverty, gangs, and drugs. You really should get a new line.
You have got to be a paid troll.
And you have to be willfully ignorant. I just LOVE how it always come to this with you people, you simply can’t bring yourselves to admit that you know full well that the NRA itself has no power, and that the American people have spoken when it comes to gun rights. The NRA is simply the people’s voice, and it’s a loud voice. you’re the one whining about the “tyranny” that isn’t there supposedly coming from the people. The people can’t be tyrannical over each other, they can disagree, which is what makes our country great. Stop being such a closed-minded buffoon.
Back at you.
Uh huh. You STILL have no answer, and you just continue on in your willful ignorance. You know that I’m right, yet you don’t care about the truth. Is it any wonder that my side refuses to trust or work with people like you?
Baiting, hum? Just tired of you, so I’m done, bye bye.
I’m not surprised. I prove your candy a s s dead wrong, and all you can do is retreat and run away. I really wish you libtar ds were bigger, better people who could admit when you’re wrong. It’s difficult to challenge your preconceptions, I know, but I wish you’d at least try it once in a while.
Again, the NRA has no power over our congress, the PEOPLE that elect our representatives are the ones with the power. The NRA has very little lobbying money to spend, much less than most other lobbys, and it is the PEOPLE that have spoken on gun rights. There is no “tyranny” here, only the will of the people being represented and defended by our legislators. You’re dead wrong, and you know you’re dead wrong. You really should have the courage to admit it instead of running away like a lil b*tch.
Not wrong, just don’t take abuse, we are done!
You’re dead wrong. Proven wrong with clear facts and argumentation. If you could adequately respond to my assertions, you would, just as you continue to do in other cases where you are not backed completely into a corner.
Sure, you be “done” all you want, just goes to show anyone else reading this thread what a cowardly lil b*tch you are.
“The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.”
— Thomas Jefferson
In the late 1700s, when the tyrannical government was the British not themselves.
No they passed the bill of rights after the war and we were not under british rule anymore.
“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”
Thomas Jefferson
In response to British Tyranny.
Government Tyranny. They felt that future american government with to much power would become tyrannical.
“When the people fear the government, that’s tyranny; when the government fears the people, that’s freedom.”
Thomas Jefferson Retirement Papers
Fear has nothing to do with it, a well formed republic will never have tyranny.
“A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.”
Alexander Fraser Tytler, Lord Woodhouselee
Correct. Heller was actually consistent will all other SCOTUS rulings on guns, with the possible partial exception of Miller 1939.
Ok, but let’s not stop there. We should change the first amendment and establish christianity as our country’s religion. We are a christian country and the majority wants it.
Nope we are not, in fact if we really want to follow the founding fathers we would promote Jefferson deism. The belief in a creator but not christianity. The founding fathers fought to make religion a nonissue. The growing embracing of secularism may need to be addressed. The founding fathers fought to make sure there was no government religion. This still stands. The second amendment fought the tyranny of the British, this was prior to the growth of National guard and a government sponsored militia.
“And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press, or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms; or to raise standing armies, unless necessary for the defense of the United States, or of some one or more of them; or to prevent the people from petitioning, in a peaceable and orderly manner, the federal legislature, for a redress of grievances; or to subject the people to unreasonable searches and seizures of their persons, papers or possessions.” – Debates of the Massachusetts Convention of February 6, 1788; Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, 1788 (Pierce & Hale, eds., Boston, 1850)
George Washington
They were fighting the British, not the newly developed nation.
Yes and they were for the people to have arms to protect from the tyranny of the government. You want to change the second then you set the president to change the first. In California they changed the state constitution to ban gay marriage, but it was declared unconstitutional at the federal level.
See you can revisit the constitution. Women have the vote, African Americans are no longer 2/3 of a person… the constitution is a liquid document.
I would question whether or not the majority wants it. Not were I live.
The point is if you weaken one amendment in the bill of rights then you weaken all of them. Also what happens in 100 years after the populace is unarmed what happens then?
Suck the teat of the nra. Turn your back on the populace. : tyranny is cruel and unfair treatment by people with power over others
And when the government become tyrannical who can stop it without being armed?
“When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny.”
attributed to Thomas Jefferson in The Federalist.
Fear never leads to anything productive. The government is the people, we choose who is in public office. We have no history of government tyranny because we decide.
that worked for charlie hebdo
One French incident
Baloney. Heller is consistent with nearly all previous SCOTUS rulings that have directly addressed the 2A, with the possible partial exception of Miller 1939.
How will the stop people from bringing guns into the school? They make it illegal so only those that follow the law will follow this. Those that break the law will keep their guns it just means more unarmed victims in one location. We need to change the term from “Gun Free Zone” because it isn’t to “Unarmed Victim Zone”
Except concealed carry permit holders have rarely (if ever) been responsible for mass shootings in our schools. As a group, they rarely commit crimes, and are about as law abiding as they come. Laws like this make people feel good, but do little (or nothing) to deal with the real problems.
Universal background checks are the best, first step — as is beefing up the systems feeding the NICS system (the background check system).
Also required training before licensing.
Jerry Brown is a genius. Stopping school shootings is as simple as making guns illegal! Brilliant!
We need to stop the Tyranny of the nra and weapons manufacturers. They are advocating policies that lead to the decline in the health and welfare of the American populace. They are the enemies, more people have died and had their freedoms taken from them due to these organizations than any other organization or government. They are the countries enemy, not the government or any other government.
No, laten. We need to stop the tyranny of the criminal class. Gun Free Zones are just a way to offer them a vulnerable target.
The criminal class is armed by legal gun buyer who act as arms dealers to them. They go to gun stores and shows to buy in bulk and sell for 100% profit on the streets. Registration would help to curtail this.
Yes, this is called ILLEGAL trafficking, and it is already against the law. Gun registries would help slow this down, yes, but (1) we already have laws that can trace guns used in crimes back to the seller, and (2) they would be used to confiscate guns from law-abiding citizens. History doesn’t lie, unlike politicians.
You are wrong and believe the conspiracy buffs. They have you running scared. Our government is us. We decide who to vote for. This is not a facist government, but it is leaning towards an Oligarchy.
Derp, it’s no longer “conspiracy” when it’s happening right in front of our eyes. New York has been confiscating guns from its citizens on registration lists for several years now. They are sending out letters telling gun owners on their lists that they must give up their guns, sell them, or destroy them. It has happened in Canada, and in many other places throughout the world. Just because you don’t like it doesn’t make it untrue.
That’s just not true. The vast majority of criminals get their guns from other criminals or steal them. Very few get them via straw purchase.
No, this is wrong. The ATF reports that the number ONE way in which criminals get their guns is through straw purchases. PBS did a good story on this a few years back.
http://www.pbs.Org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/guns/procon/guns.html
It actually makes total sense. The easiest way for someone barred from gun ownership to buy a gun is to have a family member or close friend do it for them. All they have to is lie on the purchase form. It happens all the time.
I call bullshit, there is no scientific proof of this. It’s just fear mongering by gun wingnuts. The shooting in Oregon was not a gun free zone, spree killers are not aware if it’s a gun free zone, that’s not how they pick their targets.
I think the issue is when people see someone carrying a gun into a school, they freak out and they don’t know what to do. They don’t know if it’s a law abiding citizen or if they should go on school lock down and call 911.
Yes, the NRA gets a very small amount of their funding from gun manufacturers, but most of their money comes from individual contributions and from member dues. The NRA is the lobby arm of the 100 million gun owners that live in the US. How are we supposed to buy guns if your ilk put manufacturers out of business?