AZ Republican State Senator Demands Bill Forcing People Attend Church

Even if the fine line between Church and State is thinner than a runway model, the line between church and hate is getting bigger by the second. Logic and understanding of the Constitution by Teapublicans is sort of non-existent, but in Arizona it might as well be a pink unicorn.

Enter Republican State senator Sylvia Allen.

Sen. Allen can best be described as crazy cat lady meets crazy church lady, so naturally the type of legislation she introduces is part Christian Taliban and part dementia. Apparently the Arizona State senate was discussing one of those psychotic ammosexuals bills about bringing guns into every conceivable place and Allen brought up religion. Allen said:

Probably we should be debating a bill requiring every American to attend a church of their choice on Sunday to see if we can get back to having a moral rebirth,” adding “that would never be allowed.” “I believe what’s happening to our country is that there’s a moral erosion of the soul of America,” she said. (AZCentral)

An erosion of the soul might have more to do with sociopathic Republicans in Congress preventing any meaningful action on climate change or assistance to those in need. So the only people who should be forced to attend church are members of Congress. Both use a collection plate as a slush fund, but the Congressional one is much bigger.

And much like every totally deluded and miserably uninformed Republican lawmaker, yearning for a time that never actually existed and was pretty crappy for a vast array of people, Allen then called on life to be more like the 1950s.

Woo-hoo! Civil rights problems, women’s rights problems, voting rights problems, and segregated schools!! Call Don Draper and pop the champagne! Then again, Republicans are doing whatever they can to make sure that voting problems exists for minorities again. But perhaps she’s reading from one of those Texas history textbooks as she wouldn’t be an elected representative if times were still like the 1950s. I’ve heard of a dry heat in Arizona, but is there also a hate heat?

H/T: AZCentral|Featured image by Michael Hayne of IfYouOnlyNews.com

 

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  • faceshaker

    The stupid is strong in that one.

  • MaxineMorel

    Let’s make a deal. Whenever we have mandatory voting, we can have mandatory going to church, because mandatory voting will put SANE people in the government who will not endorse mandatory going to church! Separation of church and state is SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE,
    IDIOT!!!

    • redgriffin

      Don’t be so sure I never underestimate the American Voter to do something stupid when it suits their purpose.

  • Charles Robinson

    Yes, people should be compelled to attend the church of their choice.

    • dukedeltree

      Try and make me, bible thumper…

      • Charles Robinson

        If there is anyone who has suspected that the intent of my comment was ironic, you would be correct.

        • http://tapu-tapu-tapu.blogspot.com/ diego homans

          Maybe if you added something about why you decree that, this would be more straightforward.

    • kiramea

      Then I will chose to attend the Church of Satan as I will NEVER attend a Christian Church. I refuse to be associated with you nut jobs.

    • Cetric Vazquez

      I would choose to attend the Church of My Living Room. There’s pizza and root beer and no annoying sermons.

      • aloharob

        You’re not married then? ( the sermon part+

    • Morgan

      I DO., every time I step outside. NATURE is my church!

    • http://tapu-tapu-tapu.blogspot.com/ diego homans

      Elaborate on “compel.”

      • Charles Robinson

        The comment was intended as irony. The point being the juxtaposition of “compel” with “choice.” I’m rather surprised that wasn’t readily apparent from the outset.

        • http://tapu-tapu-tapu.blogspot.com/ diego homans

          You overestimate me. ;)

  • Thom Lee

    Can you say Theocracy boys and girls?

  • http://www.newnets.com Carly

    Go GOP party of hate. Thank you once again for showing us all the ugliness that lies within this party of greed, hate, segregation and discrimination. Show us your true christian extremist values of dominionism, tyranny and theocratic bigotry.

  • Great Scott

    Psychosis is such a sad and misunderstood condition…

  • Guest

    Just another conservative Republican who would declare her reverence for the Constitution without knowing a thing about it or who corrupt what it says or has been interpreted to mean:

    “[A]t the first session of the first Congress the amendment now under consideration was proposed with others by Mr. Madison. It met the views of the advocates of religious freedom, and was adopted. Mr. Jefferson afterwards, in reply to an address to him by a committee
    of the Danbury Baptist Association (8 id. 113), took occasion to say: ‘Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God; that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship; that the legislative powers of the government reach actions only, and not opinions,-I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should ‘make no law respecting an
    establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,’ thus building a wall of separation between church and State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of therights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of
    those sentiments which tend to restore man to all his natural rights, convinced
    he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.’ Coming as this does from an acknowledged leader of the advocates of the measure, it may be accepted almost as an authoritative declaration of the scope and effect of the amendment thus secured.” Reynolds v. United States, 98 U.S. 145, 164 (1878).

    “Neither a state nor the Federal Government can, openly or secretly, participate in the affairs of any religious organizations or groups and vice versa. “In the words of
    Jefferson, the clause against establishment of religion by law was intended to
    erect ‘a wall of separation between Church and State.’” Everson v. Board of Education, 330 U.S. 1, 16, citing Reynolds v. United States, supra, 98 U.S. at page 164.

    “This Court first reviewed a challenge to state law under the Establishment Clause in Everson v. Board of Ed. of Ewing, 330 U.S. 1, 67 S.Ct. 504, 91 L. Ed. 711 (1947).1 Relying on the history of the Clause, and the Court’s prior analysis, Justice Black outlined the considerations that have become the touchstone of Establishment Clause jurisprudence: Neither a State
    nor the Federal Government can pass laws which aid one religion, aid all religions, or prefer one religion over another. Neither a State nor the Federal Government, openly or secretly, can participate in the affairs of any religious organization and vice versa. “In the words of Jefferson, the clause against establishment of religion by law was intended to erect ‘a wall of
    separation between church and State.’ ”Everson, 330 U.S., at 16, 67 S.Ct., at 511 (quoting Reynolds v. United States, 98 U.S. 145, 164, 25 L. Ed. 244 (1878)). The dissenters agreed: “The Amendment’s purpose … was to create a complete and permanent separation of the spheres of religious activity and civil authority by comprehensively forbidding every form
    of public aid or support for religion.” 330 U.S., at 31–32, 67 S.Ct., at 519–520 (Rutledge, J., dissenting, joined by Frankfurter, Jackson, and Burton, JJ.); accord, Lee v. Weisman, 505 US 577, 599-600 (1992).

    Instead of just paying lip service to their fealty to the Constitution and putting words into the mouths of Founding Fathers who never themselves uttered such words, conservatives should try to learn what our glorious Constitution actually says and means according the a steady stream of Supreme Court decisions. They have no right to corrupt the Constitution to suit their religious self-absorption.

  • http://www.michaelmarowitzlaw.com Michael Marowitz

    Just another conservative Republican who would declare her reverence for the Constitution without knowing a thing about it or who corrupt what it says or has been interpreted to mean:

    “[A]t the first session of the first Congress the amendment now under consideration was proposed with others by Mr. Madison. It met the views of the advocates of religious freedom, and was adopted. Mr. Jefferson afterwards, in reply to an address to him by a committee
    of the Danbury Baptist Association (8 id. 113), took occasion to say: ‘Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God; that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship; that the legislative powers of the government reach actions only, and not opinions,-I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should ‘make no law respecting an
    establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,’ thus building a wall of separation between church and State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of therights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of
    those sentiments which tend to restore man to all his natural rights, convinced
    he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.’ Coming as this does from an acknowledged leader of the advocates of the measure, it may be accepted almost as an authoritative declaration of the scope and effect of the amendment thus secured.” Reynolds v. United States, 98 U.S. 145, 164 (1878).

    “Neither a state nor the Federal Government can, openly or secretly, participate in the affairs of any religious organizations or groups and vice versa. “In the words of
    Jefferson, the clause against establishment of religion by law was intended to
    erect ‘a wall of separation between Church and State.’” Everson v. Board of Education, 330 U.S. 1, 16, citing Reynolds v. United States, supra, 98 U.S. at page 164.

    “This Court first reviewed a challenge to state law under the Establishment Clause in Everson v. Board of Ed. of Ewing, 330 U.S. 1, 67 S.Ct. 504, 91 L. Ed. 711 (1947).1 Relying on the history of the Clause, and the Court’s prior analysis, Justice Black outlined the considerations that have become the touchstone of Establishment Clause jurisprudence: Neither a State
    nor the Federal Government can pass laws which aid one religion, aid all religions, or prefer one religion over another. Neither a State nor the Federal Government, openly or secretly, can participate in the affairs of any religious organization and vice versa. “In the words of Jefferson, the clause against establishment of religion by law was intended to erect ‘a wall of
    separation between church and State.’ ”Everson, 330 U.S., at 16, 67 S.Ct., at 511 (quoting Reynolds v. United States, 98 U.S. 145, 164, 25 L. Ed. 244 (1878)). The dissenters agreed: “The Amendment’s purpose … was to create a complete and permanent separation of the spheres of religious activity and civil authority by comprehensively forbidding every form
    of public aid or support for religion.” 330 U.S., at 31–32, 67 S.Ct., at 519–520 (Rutledge, J., dissenting, joined by Frankfurter, Jackson, and Burton, JJ.); accord, Lee v. Weisman, 505 US 577, 599-600 (1992).

    Instead of just paying lip service to their fealty to the Constitution and putting words into the mouths of Founding Fathers who never themselves uttered such words, conservatives should try to learn what our glorious Constitution actually says and means according the a steady stream of Supreme Court decisions. They have no right to corrupt the Constitution to suit their religious self-absorption.

  • pixeloid

    How I wish the FEMA re-education camps were real. Then we would have someplace to send these stupid fanatical lunatics where they couldn’t do any more damage.

  • Mike Casey

    may i bring my gun to church?

  • DinIndy

    Does she realize that she would not be in the position she is in 60 years ago?

  • Sargeant Hazard

    I vote for mandatory education of politicians in regards to the founders religious views. Each member would be gifted a copy of the Jefferson bible to begin with. After that the well-documented quotes of Benjamin Franklin and other forefathers on their astute perception of religion and how it’s NOT to be misinterpreted would be correctly disseminated. It’s worth a try. However, legislators time and again misinterpret to “weaponize” religious worship for their own ends. I find it difficult to discount that politicians, regardless of education, are the least intelligent among us.

  • Auroarah Summers

    All Religions, or just yours? Remember when the Brits made it mandatory for the American’s to pay them HIGH Taxes. Remember how well that went over with the Americans. F’U.

  • Helgeorge

    again the spin…this woman was being sarcastic about mandatory voting…stop the spin people..and to think that if we have mandatory voting it will put SANE people in the gov’t. Ridiculous…mandatory voting without voter ID will allow ANYONE, citizen or not to vote..good for Dems huh? And please make it clear that having a voter ID does not in any way prevent minorites or the elderly to vote. If you want to get your SS check..guess what..you need ID…if you want to open a bank acct…you need ID…anywhere you..guess what..you need ID. ..so stop the nonsense…you are spinning and hurting the minorities more than helping them.

    • Brant Kelsey

      You start off making one of the few salient and Sane points by pointing out that this woman is being excoriated for making a comment that was obviously sarcastic. In other words she was not in the least way advocating mandatory attendance at church. It’s a sad commentary that the alluded to comment is conveniently construed to fit in and be accepted as some kind of truth. Sad. The irony of the hate directed to her for the claimed expression of her hate is not lost on me.

      But then you go off on a tangent about mandatory voting and the need for there to be ID………..As if one in your context precludes the other: I support mandatory voting. Surely a lot less onerous than a return to the draft:

      The ID subject? I don’t believe reasonable men and women disagree that a voter should be able to ID themselves. I would suggest you read the State Supreme Court case in Wisconsin where they struck down as unconstitutional the exacting, ridiculous, circuitous, punitive, voter ID Laws that Walker and his Republican dominated Legislature attempted to impose…………..

      There is no question whatsoever that gerrymandering to a large extent and INTENTIONAL contrived and gratuitous efforts exist in the Political Schema to dissuade, frustrate, delay, impede the ability of people to vote. And do keep in mind that this emphasis and recent elevation of the necessity to augment, toughen, crack down, complicate, what form of ID will suffice to authenticate a right to vote is fueled and by the wholly specious contention of rampant voter fraud undermining the underpinnings of some theorized democracy………Spurious.

      I could go on for hours but I’ll spare you. If you were truly inspired to eradicate a practice that has already laid waste to that pretend democracy it would be corporate personhood. Funny that you would spend so much time attacking a fundamental right of a natural person and turn a blind eye to the “artificial person” that is truly at the ruination of any semblance of democracy…………It’s not about fraudulent voters At this point it matters little who they vote for………..as all “choices” are manufactured, owned, coined, purposed to serve Banking Cabals of Wall Street and the Military Industrial Complex…..we have elected lobbyists for every interest but our own…………..so go on with your soapbox and proselytize further on the great threat of unauthentic people voting and of course corrupting this great nation. Good initial point. After that you completely missed the Mark…..

      • Helgeorge

        outstanding reply…isn’t it wonderful that both of us did not resort to calling each other names. I appreciate your point and you are certainly entitled to your opinion….and you are free to support mandatory voting..as I am free to object. Have been around a long, long time and have seen some awful things happen in this country.I just believe that you, too are a bit off the mark. There are many unauthentic people voting. Voting is a duty in this country. It is also a privilege of freedom. I do not think it should be mandatory just as I believe that health care should be mandatory, especially in the context in which it is done. I will give but one example of that…I am a woman over 70. I am not longer able to “reproduce”. I must pay for ob/gyn coverage as well as other coverage I will never need. I cannot pick and choose. I have also worked many elections and worked the early as well as the official day and those were long hours.I did see people on several occasions, twice. They came in to vote early, and then tried to vote again on election day. they did not vote for the ticket, just the president. Sorry that we agree, but shall we just agree to disagree….thanks for responding.

  • Morgan

    There are SO many things wrong and illegal with this, I won’t even get started. I tell ya, AZ is a beautiful state and the weather is great, but it’s a shame we have to have such looney tunes in government. I am embarrassed to say I live here, honestly. Right now I’m sure that people in Indiana with even half a brain feel the same way.

  • redgriffin

    So what happens when you get a Jew or a Muslim who worship on Friday and Saturday?

  • Luvinthewild

    My questions is, why do religious people think that morality comes from religion? In total, more people have been killed, degraded, ostracized, segregated, humiliated, censored, demeaned and hated because of religion of one kind or another than any other reason since the beginning of time. Now, this is where morality was conceived? Morality is part and parcel to civilization. We do right by one another because it is in our best interest as a community with common goals to do so. The lack or morality in our society has nothing to do with the lack of religion but the total disconnection we have with one another. In a system (world wide) that values money over people and their interests, there is no wonder we lack morals.

  • http://www.facebook.com/rl.johnson.35 RL Johnson

    I find it absolutely fascinating (disgusting but fascinating)
    that a Politician that claims to be christian, is Advocating Sharia Law.

    i was under the impression that
    A: this was a democracy Not a Theocracy
    and B: the christians don’t believe in the muslim laws..

    so here’s a question. since the tax laws prohibit churches to be involved politics or lose their tax free status.. which church does she plan on having everyone attend and are they OK with losing their tax free status.. she might want to check on that before she goes all taliban wannabe on the country…

  • NaturallyCurlyHair

    Living in Arizona is part joke, part horror show…

  • Miguel Hernandez

    Church does not equal morals.

  • Miguelito3557

    The worst erosion from which we suffer is the erosion of intelligence by arrogant conservative dimwits like Senator Sylvia Allen. The United States Supreme Court has, in three cases dating back to 1878, decided that the purpose of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment was to build or erect a wall separating Church and State, according
    to no less an authority than Founding Father Thomas Jefferson, whose group
    crafted that clause. Everson v. Board of Ed. of Ewing, 330 U.S. 1, 15-16 (1947); Reynolds v. United States, 98 U.S. 145, 164 (1878); accord, Lee v. Weisman, 505 US
    577, 599-600 (1992). Moreover, in the first of those cases, the High Court explained that the Establishment Clause bars a state from forcing or influencing a person to go to church (or to remain away from church):

    “The ‘establishment of religion’ clause of the First Amendment means at least this:
    NEITHER A STATE NOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT Can set up a church. Neither can
    pass laws which aid one religion, aid all religions, or prefer one religion over another. Neither [A STATE NOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT] CAN FORCE NOR INFLUENCE A PERSON TO GO OR TO REMAIN AWAY FROM CHURCH AGAINST HIS WILL or force him to profess a belief or disbelief in any religion. No person can be punished for entertaining or professing religious beliefs or disbeliefs, for church attendance or non-attendance. No tax in any amount, large or small, can be levied to support any religious activities or institutions, whatever they may be called, or whatever form they may adopt to teach or practice religion. Neither a state nor the Federal Government can, openly or secretly, participate in the affairs of any religious organizations or groups and vice versa. In the words of Jefferson, the clause against establishment of religion by law was intended to erect ‘a wall of separation between Church and State.’” Everson, supra, 330 U.S. at 15-16 (capital letters used for emphasis).

    Why do self-absorbed imbeciles, especially Christian extremists, who proclaim their undying fealty to the United States Constitution know so little about what it says or means?

  • Miguelito3557

    The worst erosion from which we suffer is the erosion of intelligence by arrogant conservative dimwits like Senator Sylvia Allen. The United States Supreme Court has, in three cases dating back to 1878, decided that the purpose of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment was to build or erect a wall separating Church and State, according
    to no less an authority than Founding Father Thomas Jefferson, whose group
    crafted that clause. Everson v. Board of Ed. of Ewing, 330 U.S. 1, 15-16 (1947); Reynolds v. United States, 98 U.S. 145, 164 (1878); accord, Lee v. Weisman, 505 US
    577, 599-600 (1992). Moreover, in the first of those cases, the High Court explained that the Establishment Clause bars a state from forcing or influencing a person to go to church (or to remain away from church):

    “The ‘establishment of religion’ clause of the First Amendment means at least this:
    NEITHER A STATE NOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT Can set up a church. Neither can
    pass laws which aid one religion, aid all religions, or prefer one religion over another. NEITHER [A STATE NOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT] CAN FORCE NOR INFLUENCE A PERSON TO GO OR TO REMAIN AWAY FROM CHURCH AGAINST HIS WILL or force him to profess a belief or disbelief in any religion. No person can be punished for entertaining or professing religious beliefs or disbeliefs, for church attendance or non-attendance. No tax in any amount, large or small, can be levied to support any religious activities or institutions, whatever they may be called, or whatever form they may adopt to teach or practice religion. Neither a state nor the Federal Government can, openly or secretly, participate in the affairs of any religious organizations or groups and vice versa. In the words of Jefferson, the clause against establishment of religion by law was intended to erect ‘a wall of separation between Church and State.’” Everson, supra, 330 U.S. at 15-16 (capital letters used for emphasis).

    Why do self-absorbed imbeciles, especially Christian extremists, who proclaim their undying fealty to the United States Constitution know so little about what it says or means?