New Alabama Bill Would Allow Kids To Have Handguns - Casket Sales Should Skyrocket

Old Top Kick

Moar GUNZ! Merika!

Tripp

I hope this is an April Fools joke.

glogrrl

Sadly, no. You know Republicans have no sense of humor.
JOHN KLINE

I do not know about a April Fools Joke. But from what I have seen, the Alabama legislature is full of jokes.

Charlie3

Craziness and sadness abounds. Can tragedy be far behind.

Marshall

My problem is that I am unable to tap into the psychology which would have a parent embrace this kind of foolishness…I don’t have a starting point to process this action because it’s as if ‘aliens’ landed on earth and took over Alabama…maybe Nralians???
- http://religionandpolitics.org/ religion&politics
  
  You clearly don’t understand the culture then. To parents and kids like this, guns are just another tool to be used responsibly and respected. Kids are ALREADY using these guns for hunting at this age. I went hunting, along with just about everyone else I knew, at 12 years old. I’m still alive to tell the tale, as are all my friends. It makes no difference whether the law says that the teen can own the gun him/herself or if the parent owns it. This law changes nothing, so stop judging, it makes you look like an arrogant, ignorant pr!ck.
  - Stuart Pollock
    
    “Just another tool to be used responsibly and respected”, you say, do you? Golly, you gun-fetishists are kind to yourselves. @@ A devise whose avowed objective is to furiously propel flesh-tearing missiles at living things for the expressed purpose of taking their lives, is not a “tool”, but a weapon. You gun-pricks even have a big club — the disgusting NRA — so you can brag to each other how efficiently and quickly the weapons you hold in such belligerent regard can take life.
    
    Anyway, not only is putting such weapons -statutorily, for chrissake! — in the hands of children a dangerous idea, but it can’t help but teach them the lesson your anecdote amply illustrates —- that taking life for their own amusement is noble an brave — is repugnant. I wonder how that combination will play out in 6th-grade homerooms?
    - http://religionandpolitics.org/ religion&politics
      
      A “devise,” eh? If you want to be taken seriously, first learn proper grammar, spelling, and punctuation, alright?
      
      Wow, quite full of yourself, aren’t you? The problem is that you don’t have the first clue what you’re talking about. This law is primarily about HUNTING. Hunting is a noble pursuit, puts food on the tables of hungry families, and is not in any way immoral or incorrect. These weapons are ALREADY in the hands of these kids, and this law will not change this at all. Gawd you’re ignorant.
      
      Ever notice that some of your teeth are pointer than others? Those are called “canines” and are proof positive that we humans were designed to eat meat. You think that meat just appears magically in the grocery store all on its own? No, someone had to kill it. Get a grip and stop whining about things you clearly do not understand at all. Pathetic.
    - Benjamin Dover
      
      Allow me to interject just one thought. Fck you. Really. Fck you, and everyone like you. You ignorant, southern hillbilly redneck “religion & politics” Deliverance banjo-playing buffoon. You and your kind are the anchor weighing down this great nation. I’m not against this bill at all. Time and again it has been proven, and it will no doubt be proven again, that this will result in many of your ilk killing and maiming each other. Sadly, that is Darwin’s way …. the winnowing of the weak minded.
    - http://religionandpolitics.org/ religion&politics
      
      yawn. Weak minded buffoon.
    - Benjamin Dover
      
      You give yourself too much credit, Sweetpea. I look forward to reading about your precious weapon going off “accidentally”. The gene pool in the USA gets a little deeper each time, and in your case, it will be like high tide coming in.
    - http://religionandpolitics.org/ religion&politics
      
      Gee, look at that. Weak-minded AND violent. Yup, you’re the typical gun grabber all right.
    - Benjamin Dover
      
      I’m not the one with the gun, but hey …. if you want to believe I’m the violent one, go for it. Can’t expect much from you, intellectually. And as for gun grabbing …. again … I’m not for grabbing your gun. That would be pointless. You’d just find a way to get another, that is how you ammosexuals work. Got to make up for shortfalls in other areas. Time will work its magic of winnowing out the weak minded. I’m patient.
    - http://religionandpolitics.org/ religion&politics
      
      Owning a gun doesn’t make a person violent, and plenty of non-violent people are armed and never hurt anyone. Ever. I’m not the one wishing violence on those I disagree with, I leave that to the weak-minded buffoons like you.
      
      Sorry, but you’re going to have to wait a WHOLE lot longer there pal, gun rights are stronger in this country right now than they’ve been in decades.
      
      I’m sorry about your tiny pecker, but I don’t understand why you’re projecting it onto me and other gun owners. Why are you so fixated on our genitalia?
    - Benjamin Dover
      
      You don’t disappoint …. every response is a variation of “I know you are but what am I”. Guess we can’t expect more of your ilk …. you may have attended school past 5th grade, but failed to learn anything beyond that level. I don’t wish violence on you. I just believe that you sow as you reap, and you gun nuts inevitably reap sorrow on yourselves, your families or your communities. As for fixation on other’s genitalia … that is exclusively the territory of you right wingers. I was only referencing Freud … but I don’t expect you to understand that, I think we covered that in SIXTH grade. Beyond your comprehension.
    - http://religionandpolitics.org/ religion&politics
      
      Sorry to break this to you, but law abiding gun owners are only become more numerous, and those who are out killing each other are gang-ban gers and other minority criminals in the inner cities (you now, Democrat-run holes that have failed black people for decades now).
    - http://religionandpolitics.org/ religion&politics
      
      As for fixation on other’s genitalia … that is exclusively the territory of you right wingers
      
      Bull-loney. You know full well that the same gun grabbing whiners who are calling gun owners “ammosexuals” are the same ones claiming that our guns “compensate” for our lack of manhood, precisely as you are alluding to here (Freud my rosy red rear end). I can’t count the number of times I’ve seen this. It’s you grabbers doing it, why on earth would you deny this? Pathetic.
    - http://religionandpolitics.org/ religion&politics
      
      All you have is whining and know-nothing prognosticating. You have no argument other than … what was it again? … oh yea … Fck you. Really. Fck you, and everyone like you. You ignorant, southern hillbilly redneck “religion & politics” Deliverance banjo-playing buffoon. Spoken like a true intellectual there bub. G F Y, after you’re done with your sister of course.
    - therain
      
      What a happy soul you are. It’s great that we (gun- owners and the NRA) have the bill of rights on our side, and are growing.
    - Michael Burke
      
      For the definition of “the weak minded,” I’d suggest you read your first sentence. And second. And fourth,fifth. Actually, read your whole biased, prejudice laced intolerant post. Let me guess, you have a rainbow sticker on your car, yet show intolerance for everyone who knows more than you? I’ll post with my real name, because I stand by what I say, Mr., ahem, “Dover.” MOOOOOON RIIIIIIVER.
    - Benjamin Dover
      
      Awww, I’m “intolerant”. Unsurprisingly, you missed the point. I am only too willing to tolerate the carnage that you imbeciles will wreak on each other. It is the price society must pay to strengthen the gene pool. Go ahead, blow your nuts off when you tuck that concealed carry in your waist band. I dare ya, and will applaud ya.
    - John Carollo
      
      “Pointer”? Maybe it is you who needs the grammar/spelling lessons.
    - Stuart Pollock
      
      Well. golly Sport, aren’t you the clever gun-prick to have not only identified a typographical error but used it as the centerpiece of a sophomoric ad-hominem argument to sanitize your gun-fetish. It doesn’t, of course. Nor does it make sport-hunters who slink around in the woods with high-powered weapons, looking for something to kill for their own arrogant amusement, noble or brave. Likewise, it doesn’t make statutory permission to put guns in the hands of school-children a good idea either. Pathetic, indeed.
      
      P. S. Creatures devour creatures for sustenance. Sport hunting — killing for fun — is nonetheless repugnant and unnecessary.
    - http://religionandpolitics.org/ religion&politics
      
      yawn. You’re confusing sport hunting with the much more common type: that of providing food for one’s family. I’m not a fan of sport hunting myself at all. I think it’s stupid and often gives people that should not be out killing things the chance to do just that. However, you can’t equate one small part of hunting culture with the larger phenomenon. It’s academically lazy and doesn’t help your argument at all.
    - didyewvote
      
      Is Jed Clampett still hunting somewhere in Alabama? Montgomery, perhaps? Guns are weapons, not tools. They do not build anything, rather they destroy. Sad that the United States has more gun deaths than any other first world nation. You and your kind are the reason.
    - http://religionandpolitics.org/ religion&politics
      
      A weapon is a specific type of tool, designed to accomplish a specific purpose. Weapons have no inherent morality, and you should not be singling out “gun” deaths and ignoring all other types. Your argument is both overly- simplistic and completely wrong. I’ve never killed anyone, so how is it that “my kind” are in any way to blame for the actions of criminals?
    - Karen Mason
      
      No, YOU are a TOOL….guns are weapons…
    - http://religionandpolitics.org/ religion&politics
      
      yawn … good one! derp derp
    - Karen Mason
      
      why don’t you take a nap…you keep saying yawn…like you are really tired. Yes, I have many good ones. You also might want to have that “derp” thing checked out..sounds uncomfortable!
    - didyewvote
      
      Look at the statistics… the US has far more gun deaths than any other 1st world country. That’s a fact. I am singling out gun deaths because it’s guns that are the topic. It’s also true that we have more automobile deaths. Because we have more automobiles. Can you make a connection there? Or is that also too simplistic? Your kind is to blame because you support policies that make guns more plentiful, and more easily acquired by criminals. While I concede that weapons have no inherent morality, those that possess them are not required to be moral either. While you may be thoroughly upstanding, your neighbor may be a homicidal maniac. I’d rather that person didn’t have access to a gun. Also, I don’t believe that anyone under the age of 21 should have access to firearms. We maker young people jump through hoops and pass tests to drive. The same should hold true for weapon ownership (which as I stated before have no constructive purpose other than to take lives). Your hunting argument just doesn’t make any sense in today’s USA. A vast majority of citizens live in cities where the prey of choice seems to be other human beings.
    - http://religionandpolitics.org/ religion&politics
      
      First, the idea that the US has “far more gun deaths” than other developed nations is a debunked falsehood. You should be looking at overall homicide rates for your argument to be taken in any way seriously, not just at those evil, scary guns.
      
      Second, your connection IS too simplistic. I also doubt very much that you even know what “policies that make guns more plentiful, and more easily acquired by criminals” would even look like. You’re simply parroting the tired old gun grabber line without even understand what you’re saying.
      
      Attempting to brainwash children into believing guns are evil, mystical death machines is misguided and dangerous. You should stop.
    - didyewvote
      
      A debunked falsehood? I won’t bother to cite the numbers because you would just deny them out of hand. Suffice it to say that the US has far more gun violence than any other “civilized” nation. To deny this fact is just plain fantasy. Overall homicide rates in the US are heavily weighted to gun violence. Again, your denial of the facts is pure fantasy. I am parroting nothing, I am speaking my mind based on what I’ve observed. On the contrary, you sound suspiciously like an old worn out NRA newsletter. I am not attempting to brainwash anyone (I don’t know where that came from). Guns are not evil. We have already established that guns are not evil (are you really that dense?). My argument is that we need tight national controls to keep them out of the hands of evil people. Studies have shown that states with lax gun laws experience more gun violence. Incidentally, Alabama is #10 in the nation in gun deaths per capita. So, there is blood either in the streets, or in the woods. Either way it’s out there, and kids don’t need to have guns.
    - http://religionandpolitics.org/ religion&politics
      
      Yes, a debunked falsehood. There are plenty of other “civilized” nations with gun violence rates comparable to the US. Unless you can convincingly show otherwise, you are parroting what you have heard from anti-gun sources without bothering to look it up for yourself. Plus, the much larger, more important point is that our levels of violence cannot be blamed on our gun laws. If you look at other “civilized” nations that have restricted guns for regular citizens, you will see that their overall levels of violence, homicide, etc remain largely unaffected. We have a violence problem, sure, but not a gun problem. Were you grabbers to succeed in banning all guns (which of course will never happen), we would continue to see similar levels of violence, simply carried out by other means.
      
      Again, these kids ALREADY have these guns, the fact that they now officially “own” them is largely immaterial. Seriously, why do you refuse to answer to this point?
    - glogrrl
      
      Name a First World Nation like America with 30,000 gun deaths a year.
    - http://religionandpolitics.org/ religion&politics
      
      Awww, look at the dishonest little troll (1) lumping in SUICIDES into her “30k gun deaths” argument and (2) ignoring the fact that most of the other “civilized” nations have smaller populations than the US, and that the number that matters is deaths PER CAPITA.
      
      Hint: Japan has FOUR TIMES the suicides per capita as the US, yet almost no one owns guns. Guns clearly don’t cause suicide. Yawn
    - glogrrl
      
      Suicides make them just as dead as other methods ….. weapons (guns) are the method of choice for those who do themselves in….so much speedier and efficient than pills, knives, poison, hanging. You might want to look into it
    - http://religionandpolitics.org/ religion&politics
      
      So what? The Japanese kill themselves at FOUR TIMES the rate that we do here in the U.S., despite the fact that almost no one owns guns. They do it with knives. Guns don’t make people kill themselves. But don’t let the facts get in the way of your little diatribe here.
    - PhilB
      
      Hey R&P Your argument stated the same thing over and over but you still did not win over the common sense group. I have a 14 year old, I own a high powered boat. I will not let my 14 year old take the boat out without an adult. He is perfectly capable of operating it safely but he is 14. He is not developed enough to not be swayed by some external situation. He does not have the life experience to know how to react. This applies to ALL children that age so don’t think that disparaging my child is going to make other children better.
      If (when) a child dies because of this then the parents should go to jail!!!
    - http://religionandpolitics.org/ religion&politics
      
      The “common sense group”?? On this ridiculous hack site?!?!
      
      AAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! ROTFLMAO!!!
      
      Don’t you understand that this law only transfers legal gun ownership to these kids, it doesn’t make them any more or less likely to use these guns under adult supervision? This law will change nothing, and blood will not be running in the streets.
      
      Seriously, where is the rampant violence that you libturds were whining would happen after Georgia’s “guns everywhere” law passed? Where is the rampant violence, murder and mayhem that has occurred in those states that allow concealed carry?? Oh yea, gun crime is down 50% in the last 20 years, and all 50 states now allow concealed carry. Sorry dude, but your “common sense” is anything but.
    - mtletang
      
      This is the right perspective. Yes, “Guns are weapons, not tools.” Hunting weaponry has its place. Safety from these weapons should be heavy duty with fail-safe measures applied every second. You don’t want them to get into innocent, confused or thieving hands. My son is testimony to what can happen in a moment of hopelessness. Handling weapons as a Boy Scout did not prepare him for the possibility that in a moment of desperation his mind could snap and do the unthinkable. His funeral is on Friday.
    - http://religionandpolitics.org/ religion&politics
      
      Your son committed suicide? I’m very sorry to hear that, if it’s even true. However, it’s not the gun’s fault, now is it? If he didn’t have access to a gun, he simply would have found a different way to do it, like so many people do all the time.
      
      Safety from these weapons should be heavy duty with fail-safe measures applied every second
      
      What does that even mean??
    - Karen Mason
      
      I hope all of your children have lots and lots of high powered automatic weapons. Natural selection. Yippee!!!
    - http://religionandpolitics.org/ religion&politics
      
      Each of my children DOES have their own 22lr rifle, starting when they are 12 years old. They learn to use them under careful supervision, and the firearms are kept under lock and key when not in use. My children, unlike you and your ilk, are growing up understanding and respecting both firearms and hunting. When they turn 18, each will also receive an AR-15 rifle. I will also encourage them to use true automatic weapons at ranges where they can be rented.
      
      Your approach is what exactly? Brainwash kids into believing that guns are evil killing machines, not allow them to learn about them, and hope that they don’t learn about them from kids at school or on the street? Your type of kids are the ones that shoot up schools, not mine.
    - vinman043
      
      Why stop at AR-15s? Get your kids rocket launchers, grenades and a tank for graduating high school.
    - JamieHaman
      
      Sorry for the loss of your son. Three questions, whose weapon was it? How old was your son? Who was responsbile for that weapon?
    - therain
      
      Yawn, yeah, I’m sure you make sense to someone.
mtletang

We did not know our son, Charley, would ever use a gun to take his own life. He shot himself in the head last Sunday afternoon. His dad is Canadian, I am American. We had taught our children never to have guns or weapons. All it took was one desperate moment, another argument that seemed endless, and our son found silence the wrong way. I had never seen a more involved, loving, kind or wise young dad in all my 62 years. He was a father at age 20; died at age 22. His two-year-old son, Patrick and little stepson, Alex, will no longer experience his hugs and kisses, daily loving care, and wisdom. And Charley has an unborn baby boy coming in September. I can’t tell you how many people have come forward to praise his ethics, compassion, wit, and character, from childhood to Boy Scouts to college to work career. His funeral is on Friday. cry emoticon
- http://religionandpolitics.org/ religion&politics
  
  Even IF you happen to be telling the truth (highly doubtful), your blaming the gun for this suicide is misguided. He clearly had a lot to live for, and undoubtedly would have simply committed suicide in another way if he didn’t have a gun.
  - Gus P.
    
    @religion_politics:disqus You have put up a great argument. But trying to explain legitimate uses of guns to Liberals is futile. This web site is a fake news site used to trash talk Republicans.
    - Benjamin Dover
      
      If you believed that to be true, why waste your time coming here? Could it be because you are too fekkin’ stupid to understand even such a simple concept? All of you imbeciles love to come online and whine that “liberals are intolerant”, as if we HAVE to patiently and quietly listen to the swill that you spew. We don’t. We aren’t interested. If you vanished off the face of the earth tomorrow, the improvement would be so vast that within 10 minutes we wouldn’t even remember you’d been here. On your way out, don’t let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya.
    - Gus P.
      
      The feeling is mutual.
    - http://religionandpolitics.org/ religion&politics
      
      Yup, you fit the description all right.

Kenneth Henderson

I’m moving to Alabama and going into the funeral business! I’ve always wanted to be a mortician. /sarcasm

http://religionandpolitics.org/ religion&politics

I sure hope not, because your business would fail due to lack of customers. You’ll see, this law will have no detrimental effect whatsoever on mortality rates. Children will not be dying via gunfire because of this law, no matter the whiny “BLOOD WILL RUN IN THE STREETS” rhetoric that your kind spews every time a law like this has passed.

Remind us again, now that we have concealed carry in all 50 states, what are our murder rates looking like again? Oh yea, HALF what they were 20 years ago. Remind us again about Georgia and their “guns everywhere” law? Where are the bloody streets that you promised us? Oh yea, nowhere to be found.
- Kenneth Henderson
  
  Ahhh Religion, you’re back. This is the only comment I’m going to leave for you. (Btw, I’m not reading your comments, you aren’t worth my time and/or energy.) Goodbye Troll.
  - http://religionandpolitics.org/ religion&politics
    
    Awwww … look at the poor lil victim … don’t worry, you don’t have to read my comments, as you’re clearly immune to logic and reason.
    
    My comments are meant for other people that may read these forums, who will read my reasoned arguments, then your whining and name-calling, then decide for themselves what the truth really is. So by all means, keep up your whining and name-calling, continue to refuse debate, you’re only making yourself look like a fool.
  - therain
    
    So being right makes someone a troll?
    - Kenneth Henderson
      
      I’m sorry but I don’t continue a conversation that was discussed 3 months ago. Have a good evening.
  - Karen Mason
    
    Yep, I already said “it” was a troll…Ha!
- RUNSWITHWOLVES
  
  YOU ARE COMPARING APPLES TO ORANGES. RESPONSIBLE ADULTS CARRYING GUNS IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM CHILDREN CARRYING GUNS. MOST ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE ENOUGH TO NOT MAKE MISTAKES. I WAS RAISED IN A MILITARY FAMILY AND MY DAD, WHO SPENT 26 YRS IN THE MILITARY AND SERVED IN WAR 4 TIMES, WOULD NEVER ALLOW US TO CARRY A GUN. HE TAUGHT US TO SHOOT A SHOTGUN AND RIFLE BUT I NEVER HUNTED. MY BROTHERS DID. THIS IS INSANE. JUST BECAUSE THIS SENATOR HUNTED WHEN HE WAS 12, DOESN’T MEAN EVERY TWELVE YEAR OLD IS MATURE ENOUGH TO CARRY A GUN NOR BELIEVE THAT IT’S OK TO GRAB A GUN FROM HIS HOUSE AND LEAVE WITH IT. WHEN YOU HAVE A CHILD KILLED BY ANOTHER CHILD THEN YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO SAY. AND YES, I ALWAYS USE CAPS BECAUSE OF A MEDICAL CONDITION. I AM NOT YELLING.
  - http://religionandpolitics.org/ religion&politics
    
    yawn … yes, yes, blood will run in the streets. We’ve heard this all before, every time gun restrictions are eased like this. The only problem is that your dire doom and gloom “kids killing kids” scenarios never come to pass.
    
    Stop screaming, it makes you look foolish
    - RUNSWITHWOLVES
      
      DID YOU NOT READ MY LAST TWO SENTENCES? ALSO, HAVE YOU NEVER HEARD OF COLUMBINE, SANDY HOOK OR ALL THE OTHER SHOOTINGS OF “KIDS KILLING KIDS”? YOU THINK I LOOK FOOLISH? ALL I CAN SAY IS THE WAY PEOPLE SEE OTHER PEOPLE IS THE WAY WE SEE OURSELVES.
    - http://religionandpolitics.org/ religion&politics
      
      You are mixing your metaphors here. Badly. Pointing to a handful of mass shootings, only one of which appears to have been perpetrated by non-mentally ill individuals, does nothing to strengthen your case against allowing children to hunt with their own guns. The “kids” shooting up schools are STEALING the guns they use, and there is no evidence whatsoever to suggest that kids who are better trained on, less mystified by, and more experienced with firearms are any more likely to use their guns to hurt others. You’re discounting centuries of tradition and good behavior among millions of country folks who teach their kids to use firearms safely. But hey, don’t let the actual facts get in the way of your screaming.
      
      Stop yelling, it makes you look like a douc hebag.
    - sanity1
      
      Ever hear of Columbine or the Chardon shootings moron?
    - Gary Fitzsimmons
      
      More children are killed with guns owned by ‘good guys’ than bad guys who are killed by these ‘good guys’. You have to be ignorant to think differently; there is plenty of unbiased research to prove it. A 3 tr. old killed himself a few days ago. There have been four child gun killings within the past 2 yrs and less than 30 miles away from my residence.
    - http://religionandpolitics.org/ religion&politics
      
      There are only a TINY number of accidental shooting deaths per year, especially of children. Kids die far more often from drowning in pools, or getting run over by cars, or in just about any other way that accidental shootings.
      
      I’m not sure where you live, but if you have so many “child gun killings” all the time, you folks need to make some changes that do not involve taking away MY gun rights.
    - binkilicious
      
      more kids are killed from other kids. accidental curiosity killings. like 3 year old shoots baby brother.
- Jane Conrad
  
  Alabama just opened the door for criminals to purchase untraceable guns and transport them anywhere in the country. Ever hear of cause and effect? Alabama is the cause and increase crime rates will be the effect. Unsupervised children with guns is the same as giving a them keys to a Ferrari! A child can’t drink alcohol but can own a gun. This is an irresponsible law!
  - blackwood777
    
    Sorry….. you have to prove you live in the state to purchase a firearm and criminals can’t purchase firearms here either, we have insta-check so if you have a criminal record you can’t do business. Kids in the South grow up learning how to use guns same as I did so it’s not irresponsible it’s a rite of passage.
    - Jane Conrad
      
      It’s a right of passage with supervision. So, there are no gun murders in Alabama? That’s the reason for being able to trace the guns. It’s another NRA loophole. Wake up!
    - http://religionandpolitics.org/ religion&politics
      
      “NRA loophole” … LOL, what a clueless hack you are!
    - binkilicious
      
      alabama is number 5 on the top 20 murder by gun states. lol. georgia mentioned by another poster is 13
    - Jane Conrad
      
      BTW I am a gun owner!
    - http://religionandpolitics.org/ religion&politics
      
      Owning a paint gun or a Super Soaker doesn’t make you a “gun owner.”
    - Stanislaw
      
      “House bill 328 and Senate bill 262 would also eliminate record-keeping requirements from the Code of Alabama, removing language that mandates firearm dealers “keep a permanent record of the sale of every pistol, revolver, or maxim silencer, showing the date of sale, serial number, or other identification marks, manufacturer’s name, caliber and type, and also the name and address of the purchaser.”
      
      What does proving your residence in the state matter if the state no longer keeps records of the purchaser’s address? It is a massive loophole that is ripe for abuse.
    - Secular_Humanist
      
      Ever been on a school playground around 5th and 6th graders? Right now they use their fists to settle disagreements. These children haven’t learned (yet) to control their emotions, give’m guns and let’m get angry…
      
      It is bad enough we have to put schools on lock-down sometimes and children experience fear because cowardly adults pose danger. What are those children going to feel when CHILDREN can be armed???
      
      Why exactly do children need firearms?
    - http://religionandpolitics.org/ religion&politics
      
      Hunting, recreation, learning, etc.
      
      You’re acting as if this law suddenly makes firearms widely available to children when they were not previously accessible. This is nonsense. These kids are ALREADY using these guns for hunting, etc. The fact that they now can “own” them, instead of their parents owning them, changes precisely NOTHING on the ground. Your fear-mongering is ridiculous, and you will see that this law will result in ZERO increase in shootings of any kind. No blood in the streets or hallways, just like always.
  - http://religionandpolitics.org/ religion&politics
    
    yawn … yes, yes, blood will run in the streets. We’ve heard this all before, every time gun restrictions are eased like this. The only problem is that your dire doom and gloom prognostications NEVER come to pass. “Cause and effect my rosy red a s s.
    - Jane Conrad
      
      It’s your people that are always saying they want to keep guns out of the hands of criminals. Al. just made it easier. It’s your people who say they neeeeeeed guns to protect themselves from alllllll the dangerous criminals.
    - http://religionandpolitics.org/ religion&politics
      
      No, it’s “my people” who are always pointing out that criminals will, and do, get their hands on guns, no matter what the laws say. It’s you gun grabbers who continue to mistakenly believe that passing even MORE laws will somehow stop people who are already breaking the law.
      
      It’s “my people” who are always saying that good people need to be free to be armed without fear of being thrown in prison simply for exercising our natural, constitutionally-protected right to armed self defense.
      
      It’s you gun grabbers who are continually pushing to brainwash our children into believing that guns are evil, while “my people” push for firearm safety training. Big difference.
    - glogrrl
      
      Have you noticed that after more than 6 years of a Democratic president that no one has “grabbed your guns”? You ammosexuals are always whining about that….NOW who’s the victim?
    - http://religionandpolitics.org/ religion&politics
      
      Yup, I’ve seen this pi ss-poor argument on here more times than I can count. The problem is that you grabbers don’t seem to think it through before posting.
      
      Have you ever asked yourself just WHY no one has “grabbed” my guns? Here’s a hint: If the Obama admin had their way, we would look like Australia (this is not in doubt, Obama has stated this himself, on record), and our gun rights would be massively curtailed. However, he has been stopped dead in his tracks by the NRA and other grassroots organizations. His failure is not for lack of trying, and if we don’t keep fighting administrations like this, they WILL “grab our guns” … do you deny it??
    - sanity1
      
      Let’s hope you are one of the “pry it from my dead hands” people. You love of death and gun weaponry is only surpassed by your stupidity of ignoring the mass shootings in schools and churches by YOUR kind around you. The day blacks get fed up and start shooting your kids, churches and schools is when you might finally wake up to the problem.
    - Charles Lucas
      
      What would be wrong with “looking like Australia”? No mass shootings of any kind?
    - http://religionandpolitics.org/ religion&politics
      
      Actually, Australia HAS had mass shootings after their buyback. Plus, they had almost no shootings BEFORE their buyback either. You grabbers pretend (or are just ignorant of the fact) that Australia’s massive gun buyback program “stopped” their tide of mass shootings. the problem is that they NEVER had the amount of shootings that we do, ever. Their buyback has changed nothing at all. They do tend to have more stabbings and arson than shootings now, but their overall homicide and violence rates have remained largely stable, and dead is still dead, even IF not perpetrated by an “evil” gun.
      
      People who invoke the Australia example to push gun control in the US represent the height of ignorance.
    - therain
      
      Violent crime at a higher rate than USA. Yeah, that worked out well. LOL
    - binkilicious
      
      obama can not single handedly take your guns, so it isnt the nra it is the laws of the constitution. get real drama queen. and there is nothing wrong with australia it works for them.
    - http://religionandpolitics.org/ religion&politics
      
      Oh shush. You’re so ignorant it makes my teeth ache, and your grammar is so bad you’re making my head hurt.
      
      Sure, Australia can do whatever they want, but that’s not what we’re talking about, now is it? The idea that passing Australia-like laws in the US would actually improve our violence situation is clearly false, because these laws have not actually improved violence in Australia either.
    - glogrrl
      
      Yes, I deny it.
    - http://religionandpolitics.org/ religion&politics
      
      Maybe you should remove your head from your behind then and stop being so willfully ignorant. Any sitting president that praises the gun laws of another country, laws which involved the mass confiscation of millions and millions of legally-owned firearms, that president would take our guns if he could. Thank goodness for us that he’s so weak.
    - Karen Mason
      
      HEY FOLKS…NEWS FLASH… this guy is a troll….leave him be and move on to real, intelligent posters…
    - http://religionandpolitics.org/ religion&politics
      
      Translation: “I can’t refute what this guy says, so I’ll go ahead and call him names and hope he goes away.”
      
      Nice, keep up the good work there “Karen”
    - Karen Mason
      
      Troll is not name calling, just calling you out! Big diff there whatever your name is..at least I use mine and don’t hide…like trolls do…
    - http://religionandpolitics.org/ religion&politics
      
      Apparently you don’t understand what “trolling” actually is then. Look carefully at most of my posts. They contain clear, factual information intended to inform and persuade. Trolls are simply out to make people upset, kind of like you are doing.
      
      You have no reasonable answer to my assertions, no way to refute my information, so you resort to calling me a “troll” without anything even remotely resembling proof of this claim. You madam are pathetic.
    - Karen Mason
      
      I know exactly what a troll is…YOU. Your “assertions” are hysterical…especially the one about pointed teeth…clear factual information…HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Too funny. I agree that you are attempting to persuade though…with your bull…total crap…YOU “sir or whatever you are since you don’t use your real name” are the pathetic one. Peace out an take a nap.
    - http://religionandpolitics.org/ religion&politics
      
      So do you deny that our teeth are designed to eat meat? Interesting. We can’t all be vegan hippies like you.
    - binkilicious
      
      just whiny drama queens people actually think their rights have been taken away under obama. ask them what rights have they lost. there isnt any. bothing has been taken away from them. but rights have been given to other people. i think they dont like that.
    - http://religionandpolitics.org/ religion&politics
      
      And you’re an ignorant doofus. Do you know WHY our rights are still intact? Here’s a hint, it has to do with the power and effectiveness of groups like the NRA and the ineffectiveness and weakness of the worst US president in modern times.Obama’s failures on gun control are not due to lack of trying. If he had his way, our gun laws would look like Australia’s, and most would be confiscated. Obama is on record praising Australia’s gun laws and pushing for ours to look like theirs. It’s not rocket science.
      
      http://www.abc.Net.Au/news/2014-06-11/barack-obama-praises-australias-tough-gun-laws/5516978
    - Secular_Humanist
      
      All the mass shootings during the last 20 years were done by first offenders. The kid in NC had his gun “passed down” from a parent. When gun owners cry they have to protect and defend themselves - it is from OTHER gun owners. It is a known fact, the need to own killing tools is a mental illness, called paranoia.
    - Taylor
      
      Yeah, yeah….mass shootings only account for a small percentage of deaths. What about the black thug that is robbing my house and threatening my family. That is why I have a gun. Oh and they are not LEGAL gun owners. Hundreds of those scenarios are happening weekly if not daily in some cities. Just ask Shitcago!
  - therain
    
    Gun violence has been on the decline as gun ownership has grown. Why don’t you leave it to the experts, like the state of Alabama? They seem to know what they are doing.
  - therain
    
    What are you talking about? There’ is already a burdensome and unconstitutional process to get a gun.
- Tony Thompson
  
  And yet our gun violence is off the charts. People like you never seem to want to do anything about that problem.
  - http://religionandpolitics.org/ religion&politics
    
    We do have a violence problem in this country, but not a gun problem. Gun crimes are down by 50% over the past 20 years. Plus, you’re not paying attention at all if you claim that “people like me” don’t want to do anything about these problems. We simply refuse to give up our rights and/or to take the blame for the violence being perpetrated by criminals. Your argument sucks, try a new one.
    
    http://www.pewsocialtrends.Org/2013/05/07/gun-homicide-rate-down-49-since-1993-peak-public-unaware/
  - therain
    
    Actually, we’re no where near the top. And gun violence has been declining, while gun ownership has been rising. It’s easy to verify those statements.
- binkilicious
  
  you need to look up the top 19 murder by gun states they are almost if not all open carry states. lol
  - http://religionandpolitics.org/ religion&politics
    
    You need to stop pulling fake statistics out of your ample behind.
    
    Only 5 states and DC prohibit the open carry of handguns. These are CA, IL, NY, FL, and SC. That means that 45 states allow open carry, now doesn’t it? Open carry has nothing whatsoever to do with this, and just represents a lazy tagline for you grabbers to spew when you’re feeling frisky.
    
    So sure, let’s talk about “murder by gun” in Chicago, DC, New York, and SoCal. Last year Chicago stole the top spot from New York. These gun control areas are the most dangerous places in the country.
    
    http://blogs.wsj.Com/numbers/map-where-is-open-carry-legal-1715/
JamieHaman

Bring your Kevlar, and popcorn.
This is going to be so common sense, now the good kid with a gun can stop a bad kid with a gun.
And both kids under 5 years old.
I’m disgusted. The weapons law don’t forbid parents taking their kids hunting, and I’m also guessing it’s been legal for parents to also take their kids to the shooting range.
Yes, I believe your future funeral business will boom.
- http://religionandpolitics.org/ religion&politics
  
  Kids that are taught to understand and respect firearms at a young age are far safer with firearms as adults. Kids that have been brainwashed at a young age to believe that guns are evil, mystical killing machines are far more likely to learn about them in a negative environment at school or on the street. Think about it.
  - JamieHaman
    
    Yep. Kid who are taught ARE safer, no argument. What’s the best age for teaching is the question. 2 year old? We’ve seen a 2 year old, remeber the one who shot his mom in Walmart’s parking lot? His mom was trained, and licensed. Five years old? Seen a few of those too. No training but willing and able to use those weapons, exactly in the manner intended. These weapons are made for killing, thus supposed to include dead people. Exactly which dead people seems to be the problem. We both know it’s not the parents or siblings who are supposed to die, but that’s usually who gets shot. The other part of the problem is storage. I think if you leave your gun on the kitchen counter, or the bedside table, that makes you, the adult, responsible when there is a death of someone in the house.
    - http://religionandpolitics.org/ religion&politics
      
      That two-year-old shot his mom inside a Walmart in Idaho, a tragic accident. Don’t be a buffoon.
      
      Safe storage is essential, as is very close adult supervision until these kids are old enough to hunt on their own, 14-16, depending on maturity, in my book.
    - JamieHaman
      
      Storage is essential, and in your purse is clearly NOT safe storage. no That woman had training, she had the appropriate license, she had knowledge of what safe transport was. That 2 year old did not.
      That’s what makes this bill ridiculous.
      I don’t object to people owning weapons, or teaching their kids how to use them. I do object to any kid, no matter how well trained having unfettered access to them.
      It’s not a “tragic accident” it’s neglectful homicide. It deserves jail time. Too bad we can’t lock up the mom in that case, because she is dead. What if that boy had killed a cousin or siblingsor some passer by instead? Then would it be a “tragic accident’? Not in my opinion, in mine it would still be neglectful homicide, and the mom should still go to jail.
      That 2 year old kid is going to have to live with the reality that he killed his mother. So do his brothers and sisters. So does his dad, and all the rest of his family. Think that won’t make a huge difference in the paths of their future lives?
      Don’t be a buffoon.
    - http://religionandpolitics.org/ religion&politics
      
      Yes, I agree that carrying off the body is not ideal, but remember, the purse in question was specifically designed for concealed carry, and we still have no idea how this tiny kid managed to get ahold of the gun. By all accounts, this mother was acting responsibly. This was a tragic accident, nothing more. No jury would have convicted her of a crime had she survived or had someone else been shot. That’s just not the way the law works, or should work.
      
      I simply don’t see any evidence that this law would make actual access any less “fettered” simply by allowing the kids legal ownership of the firearms.
    - JamieHaman
      
      Yes, I did read she had been given the purse, and that it was designed for safe carry. It wasn’t a safe carry purse, obviously. Which means the designation doesn’t matter.
      The problem is plenty of stupid parents will listen to their kids saying, “that’s MY gun, you can’t tell me what to do with it.”
      Kids aren’t particularly stupid, what they generally have is NO Judgment. It’s why we don’t allow them to marry at age 6, or drive cars either. That lack of jugement is a real problem for me, especially since any number of parents won’t have it either.
      No, no jury would have convicted her, which is why I would like the laws changed so owners of weapons that are not safely stored can be charged.
      Most weapons owners aren’t the problem. It’s the idiots who mess it up for everyone. Most people will obey a law, just because it is the law. So, require safe storage, if the weapon isn’t in your hand, or on your body. Be a lot less of these stupid neglectful homicides and suicides.
      People who want to kill themselves will just have to work a bit harder to do it, and probably leave a smaller mess to clean up after too.
    - http://religionandpolitics.org/ religion&politics
      
      Sure, I agree with you on the purse, it was NOT safe. However, I think it important to recognize that this mother was not acting irresponsibly. She was clearly trying to carry safely, despite the outcome.
      
      Yes, the safe storage argument is one that I tend to agree with. However, we have serious roadblocks to overcome to make something like that happen, the 4th amendment chief among them. How do you enforce a law like this without massively violating people’s privacy?
      
      You’re right, most weapon owners are not the problem, so why penalize them by passing yet another law they must follow in order to avoid jail time / fines? I for one feel that the loss of a loved one, especially a child, is more than enough of an incentive for 99% of people to secure their guns properly, and is also enough of a punishment for those that are neglectful and their family member killed.
      
      Please don’t bring suicides into this, that’s an entirely separate discussion for a different venue.
    - JamieHaman
      
      Here’s why we pass laws to penalize responsible owners….it’s still the idiot factor. In this country we put instructions on shampoo for f*ck’s sake, just because of the idiot factor. We do make a serious effort here to protect stupid people from themselves, and normal people from the stupid ones. Though, I admit that’s a little bit harder. Stupid is so good at finding a way!
      I asked about this exact same thing on a different thread, how to ensure safe storage because I’m not letting police search without a warrant either. The solution offered, is that the purchaser must prove the ability to keep the weapons unaccessibla to others. Apparently a vid of a weapons safe is acceptable. Personally, I think if we make the law to be that one must have safe storage to purchase, we don’t have to prove it to anyone. The proof will be this, did a 7 year old pick the gun up off the table? Did a two year old take it from his mother’s purse? Did a 15 year old pick it up from the top of the safe, and commit suicide with it? While home alone? That imo is enough proof to me that the owner Did Not safely store the weapon.
      At that point I’m perfectly ok with charges filed, and jail time for lazy, stupid, unwilling to protect others people.
    - http://religionandpolitics.org/ religion&politics
      
      I don’t necessarily disagree. However, the argument against this type of practice is fairly solid, the fact that if a gun is locked up and inaccessible, it can’t be used effectively for self-defense.
      
      I like the idea of bio-metric safes, ect, but until the government is willing to subsidize such safes for gun owners, they have no business forcing us to lock up our arms or face prosecution. They’re already making it far too difficult and cumbersome for many people to keep and bear arms, which is why so many of us are continually opposed to laws like this. If they were to meet us halfway, we might get somewhere. The problem is that anti-gun politicians are not actually interested in safety. They’re interested in control, plain and simple.
    - JamieHaman
      
      Ok, my original comment got lost, somehow. I’m going to use the word “you” in this, and I’m not referring to you specifically, ok? Here’s the deal this “inaccessible for self defense”, if you cannot unlock and load your weapon, while glass is breaking, within 30 seconds, you are tooo tooo slow to use it anyway. Yes, it does take practice, so practice that often. Yes, it certainly can be done. ANY thing can be used as a weapon.
      Calling BS on “until the government is willing” argument, because NO one forces you to buy a weapon. Pay your own way there, just like you do with your car insurance.
      Making the people around you safe from your weapons should absolutely be a top priority. If you aren’t willing to go the distance to keep people safe from Your weapons, you have no business with them either, that makes you just another armed hazard in our society. We don’t need more idiots, we need less. People who are not willing and able to maintain control of their own weaons don’t need to have them.
      The biggest problem isn’t the anti gun politicians, it’s the refusal of the pro gun politicains to negotiate. I know you remember that after Sandy Hook over 90% of the people in this country were willing to do ‘something.” about weapons control. The NRA put a stop to that. And everyone knows the problem wasn’t an illegal bunch of weapons, the problem was the ACCESS TO THE Weapons.
    - http://religionandpolitics.org/ religion&politics
      
      If the government is going to restrict my natural human right to self defense in my own home, they should at least show that they are willing to meet me halfway, by making it possible to meet their demands for even poor people. Sure, anything can be used as a weapon, but what about my 120lb wife or your elderly grandmother? Should they be forced to use a baseball bat to defend themselves against a larger, very possibly armed intruder?
      
      The biggest problem? Too subjective and unproveable, although I will concede that there is a great deal of intractability on both sides. Our giving in to any sort of additional gun control is just us losing slowly. When was the last time that an anti-gun politician offered to roll back a useless gun regulation in exchange for passing a different one? Hint: NEVER.
      
      Sure, I remember Sandy Hook. I also remember that 90% of Americans didn’t understand what these “universal” background checks actually entailed, nor were they asked if they supported Manchin-Toomey, the bill that failed in the Dem-controlled senate after Sandy Hook. And it wasn’t actually the NRA that stopped that bill cold, it was the GOA leading the charge, followed by the NRA and various other grassroots groups. Besides, Manchin-Toomey would not have stopped Lanza, his mother’s guns were secured in a safe, and he had to MURDER her to take them. Why pass such a restrictive bill that doesn’t in any way fit the problem??

http://religionandpolitics.org/ religion&politics

Yea, yea, grabbers, blood will “run in the streets,” just like you scream and moan anytime any pro-gun law like this is passed. Guess what? NOTHING is going to happen, just like nothing has happened with Georgia’s “guns everywhere” law, Idaho’s campus carry law, and all the other pro-gun laws passed in recent years. Want to know where all the actual “gun violence” is occurring in this country? Check out the Dem-led, gun-controlled inner city

http://www.truthrevolt.Org/videos/bill-whittle-number-one-bullet

http://bustatroll.com bustatroll

If only you had a clue. Unfortunately, the top ten states with the highest gun death rates are all red, rural and ass-backwards.

The top 10 with the lowest death rates have the strictest gun laws. Do yourself a favor, turn off Fox News, stop reading the Blaze and actually learn something.
- http://religionandpolitics.org/ religion&politics
  
  Yawn … and there’s the “Fox” card … oh brother … guess you’re gonna be screaming “RACIST” and “BIGOT” next, huh? How about you stop sucking off the teet of MSNBC and MotherJones, maybe you’ll learn a thing or two.
  
  First of all, your stats are disingenuous, as these are gun RATES per 100k, not total gun deaths. The vast majority of our 11k gun deaths are happening in places like Chicago, NY, Baton Rouge, and other large inner cities with (*GASP*) larger populations living in poverty with gang and drug problems, and including many large cities in the “backwards” states you mention.
  
  I guess when the only deaths that matter to you are those perpetrated with an evil firearm, it’s very easy to tear apart your simplistic little diatribe. Add to that the fact that folks in these red states own more firearms per capita, OF COURSE there will be more firearm-related issues to deal with. Good gawd, have you ever had an original thought in that empty eggshell you call a head?
  - Ole Man
    
    You keep yawning while kids are dying. Just shows how freakin’ stupid you are.
    - http://religionandpolitics.org/ religion&politics
      
      Maybe you should try reading more than just the first word of my post. Does calling me “stupid” help you feel better about yourself? I sure hope so, because when you resort to name-calling, that rather powerfully suggests that you have no valid argument to offer.

NiteGoat

Why do you assume that minors who are given handguns by their law-abiding parents, are going to use those handguns to rob banks? If a law-abiding parent believes their minor child is responsible enough to own a handgun, so be it. It’s none of anyone’s business.

I was trained to shoot and clean a handgun at the age of 6, by my mother (a Detroit Police Officer at the time) and was shooting rifles by the age of 7. I have never once comitted a crime or injured anyone or myslef with a firearm in my almost 44 years on this planet.

So for you to say that these minors will be robbing banks and killing themselves with handguns, is just complete nonsense. It’s fear-mongering at it’s finest.

You have no problem with a minor driving a 4,000 lb killing machine without any parental/adult supervison; why should you have a problem with a trained responsible minor owning a handgun?

glogrrl

“Why do you assume that minors who are given handguns by their law-abiding parents, are going to use those handguns to rob banks? If a law-abiding parent believes their minor child is responsible enough to own a handgun, so be it. It’s none of anyone’s business.”
Kids have to be 21 before they can drink, for a reason. It’s because their brains have not developed completely. That’s the same reason they should not be allowed to have guns. In fact, that’s probably a good reason a large percentage of gun owners should not have guns.
- NiteGoat
  
  And who gave you the right to decide who is intellectually qualified to own guns and who is not?
  
  How exactly do you equate firearms with alcohol? Last I checked, exercising one’s 2nd amendment rights does not impair a person’s ability to drive a car or to think rationally.
  - kduke
    
    Except this is not REMOTELY like “exercising one’s 2nd Amendment rights,” is it. Will your “well regulated militia” be made up of those six year old? Nope- you’ve drifted off into BS and nut job talking points.
    - NiteGoat
      
      How is this not a case of someone exercising their 2nd Anendment rights? A militia is comprised of individual gun owners. It has been decided by the SCOTUS that it is the right of an individual to keep and bear stems for the purpose of self defense.
      
      Calling people “nut job” because you can’t invalidate their argument is very mature. Do you resort to name calling every time you don’t get your way?
      
      If you don’t like the Constitition and the Bill Of Rights, I suggest you move to another country.
    - Ole Man
      
      What is a six year old defending himself from?
    - http://religionandpolitics.org/ religion&politics
      
      Nothing yet, but children deserve the chance to learn about and respect guns at an early age. Those that do are far less likely to injure themselves with guns later on. People like you are always calling for all other types of education and the banishment of ignorance, why not in this case?
    - george of nazareth
      
      to learn how to use guns safely or to own gun are not even in the same universe. there is no rational way to think it is ok to give gun to kids. it is mental.
    - http://religionandpolitics.org/ religion&politics
      
      Your post is quite incoherent, buy you seem to be saying that kids shouldn’t use guns. It’s not like they keep them with them at all times, they’re kept in the gun safe with the rest, except now they can actually own the guns, really a very small difference in real-life usage terms.
    - NiteGoat
      
      “Kids” have been given guns since firearms existed. They were trained in the safe and proper use of firearms. Here’s a recent example of what good can come of “kid” with a firearm: On 2/3/2015, an 11 year-old girl in Lapeer County, MI, utilized a shotgun to scare off a home invader who had broken into her home in the middle of the afternoon while she was home alone.
      
      The police, acting on descriptions from the girl, later caught and charged two Detroit residents-a 53-year-old man and his 31-year-old female accomplice—in connection with the crime.
    - Lynn Moyer
      
      yes, and scotus of the 1800s got it wrong
    - NiteGoat
      
      Yeah, Lynn. Too bad I was referring to the SCOTUS decision in the case of DC v. Heller, which was decided in 2008. That’s the 21st century, not the 1800’s.
      
      Nice try though.
    - http://religionandpolitics.org/ religion&politics
      
      Baloney. Kids need to learn to respect and understand guns early. Those that do are far less likely to be injured in a gun-related accident during childhood and later in life. This is PRECISELY what is meant by “to keep and bear arms.”
  - glogrrl
    
    I think you missed the point. The “brains have not developed completely” is the key phrase here.
    - http://religionandpolitics.org/ religion&politics
      
      Very weak argument. What does cognitive development have to do with learning to use guns safely? I would argue that teaching children when they are very young is the very BEST time, when they are more teachable.
    - glogrrl
      
      “What does cognitive development have to do with learning to use guns safely?”
      It’s called “judgement”. Skippy. Kids don’t have fully formed brains in the judgement area….that’s why they’re not allowed to drive until they’re 16 and then have restrictions. That’s why they’re not allowed to drink until 21. They are prone to bad judgement and spur-of-the-moment decisions, just like the picture that accompanies this article. If they become enraged or upset about something, they tend to act without thinking. Come to think about it, that personality feature is not always restricted to kids.
    - http://religionandpolitics.org/ religion&politics
      
      Yes, this is true, which is why kids are to only use guns under careful supervision (try actually reading the article). When kids are hunting, they are still under supervision. Sounds like you don’t know much about either guns or hunting. They still need to learn respect and safety when they’re young, not brainwashed into believing guns are evil.
    - Lynn Moyer
      
      like the little girl at the gun range that snuffed her “instructor” because she couldnt handle to assault rife she was told to shoot
    - http://religionandpolitics.org/ religion&politics
      
      Yes, that girl was under direct adult supervision by a trained instructor. No, the weapon she was firing was not an “assault rifle,” but a fully automatic machine pistol (very different things).
      
      Way to whine about the ONE terrible accident like this that the media plastered all over our TVs, while ignoring the millions and millions of kids who use firearms safely for practice, hunting, and other activities every day in this country.
    - NiteGoat
      
      “Snuffed”? You’ve been watching too many movies.
      
      Not to mention an UZI 9mm is NOT an assault rifle. It is a sub-machine gun. It is a very small firearm.
    - therain
      
      Hey goober, rural kids are raised with guns and have a much lower rate of violence than your ghetto thugs. Something to think about.
Donald Joyal

They are going to use them to accidentally kill other children. Why make this easier to happen? What is WRONG with you gun idiots? You defy common sense.
- NiteGoat
  
  Why do you assume that minors will accidentally kill one another if they have access to handguns? As I already stated, I had access to handguns and rifles since I was 6 years old, and never killed anyone.
  - Dan Daugherty
    
    well, plenty of minors do already, how can you think that number won’t go up?
    - NiteGoat
      
      No, they do not. Where do you get your figures?
    - http://religionandpolitics.org/ religion&politics
      
      Sure, there are some gun accidents, and even some kids deliberately killing other kids and even adults. However, if kids are educated on the proper use and care of firearms while young, all with an eye firmly on safety (the aim of ALL firearm and hunter education), those kids are far less likely to have gun-related accidents, as they no longer find firearms mysterious or taboo. They understand how to use them safely. What’s your problem with education?
- http://religionandpolitics.org/ religion&politics
  
  What a load of tripe. 9 times out of 10, when one kid kills another, it’s due to an accident. This law would not make accidents “easier to happen,” it encourages additional training and education among youth. You’re clearly one of those people who knows next to nothing about either hunting or firearms. f kids are educated on the proper use and care of firearms while young, all with an eye firmly on safety (the aim of ALL firearm and hunter education), those kids are far less likely to have gun-related accidents, as they no longer find firearms mysterious or taboo. They understand how to use them safely. What’s your problem with education?
- therain
  
  Why would you assume that?
kduke

Actually, I do have a problem with a minor driving a 4000lb killing machine. I want much stricter rules for teen driving, including limits on occupants, no cell phone use allowed while driving, etc.

I’m glad you were taught gun safety as a child. I was too. Unfortunately, a lot of people-maybe the majority- have not been taught gun safety, or gun responsibility. Today, guns are just another commodity item being pushed by gun makers and used as fodder for ‘hate/distrust the federal government’ politicians. There is money to be made, and, more importantly, there are sheep to be led (while feeling empowered- but still sheep).
- NiteGoat
  
  Sounds to me like you have control issues. You and our government need to mind your own business and stay out of people’s petsonal matters.
  - glogrrl
    
    You gonna stay out of women’s uteri if they want to have an abortion or take birth control? Didn’t think so. And maybe you should learn to spell or check your work.
  - Ole Man
    
    Now the truth is coming out. The one with issues is you. Wouldn’t want to be around you when you lost your temper. Not with you owning all those guns. Bet you couldn’t pass a psych profile.
    - http://religionandpolitics.org/ religion&politics
      
      Yawn. Only someone with their own “temper” issues sees anger and rage in everyone around them. I see zero anger in NG’s post, only a belief that government does not have the right to poke its nose into each and every last one of our affairs.
    - NiteGoat
      
      When did I say that I ever owned any firearms? And what exactly qualifies you to judge a person’s mental health? I take issue with people sticking their noses into places where they don’t belong. I take issue with people trying to take away or infringe on my constitutional rights. I take issue with people calling me derogatory terms for exercising my constitutional rights. You sir, are nothing but a common bigot.
Ole Man

I don’t believe you, nite. Totally made-up story. Where in Detroit were you shooting that rifle at seven? In the streets?
I guess whatever it takes to push your “pro-gun” agenda.
- glogrrl
  
  How old IS this dude? Sounds like he’s an inhabitant of the Old West.
  - NiteGoat
    
    Again, your reading comprehension and outstanding ability to cherry-pick is showing. If you would have read my initial comment in it’s entirety, you would know that I am almost 44 years old.
    - glogrrl
      
      I didn’t anything about your chronological age…..you are obviously full of outdated thinking.
    - NiteGoat
      
      Is that so? “How old IS this dude? Sounds like he’s an inhabitant of the Old West.”. Looks like you just asked my chronological age.
    - glogrrl
      
      See? You’re overly defensive. Sounds like something isn’t developed in your brain.
    - NiteGoat
      
      Again, making unsubstantiated claims.
      
      What in my reply shows any indication that am being defensive? I merely pointed out that you did in fact enquire as to my chronological age; which you claimed you did not.
      
      And what, in your expert opinion, do you believe isn’t “fully developed” in my brain?
    - NiteGoat
      
      Is the entire Bill of Rights “outdated thinking”, in your opinion? Or is it just those rights that you personally take issue?
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  They’re called “shooting ranges.” It’s also called “leaving the city limits and going out into the country.” Yikes you’re ignorant.
  
  Whatever it takes to push your gun-grabber agenda I guess.
- NiteGoat
  
  Umm…you do realize that people can move freely, correct? My mother’s boyfriend’s brother had property in Bellville, MI, where I used to shoot rifles. I used to shoot my mother’s handgun at the Detroit Police range when I was 6 years old, which was located inside what was then the 16th Precinct. Detroit Police Precincts have since been renumbered, Mr. Know-it-all.

Guest

Is Alabama promoting accelerated natural selection?

Kim Connell

What ever could go wrong!

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yawn … guess you haven’t heard about all the inner-city gang and drug-related shootings, or about the 100,000+ people per year that defend themselves legally with guns, huh? You hear the word “gun,” and your Pavlovian response is to wet yourself, duck and cover, and run away screaming. Pathetic.

indoboy7

Is it possible that Arthur Orr’s parents are also brother + sister…….????……..Jez’ wondering….

Glenn Clayton

Now the cops will have reason to shoot kids!!!!

Ole Man

Only if they’re black. Oh wait; they do that already. Even when the guns are toys.
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  Only when those toys are precise replicas of real weapons that have had the orange safety tips removed. Gawd, get a clue.
  - glogrrl
    
    The cops who shot Tamir Rice didn’t even take time to notice……they shot him within a second or two of braking their car…..they barely had opened the car door. I think YOU are the clueless one.
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      The cops responded in this way only AFTER receiving 911 calls stating that the kid was waving a gun at people. You don’t wanna call me “clueless,” cause I’ll own your as s if you try.

Giordan

Stay classy, Alabama

NiteGoat

You paint with a mighty broad brush; “Kids are stupid, they show off, they think they are invincible. There is
no such thing as a responsible kid. The ones you think are responsible
are “Eddie Haskell’s” “.

When you start with that frame of mind, you are already set to fail. No child in inherently “stupid” or bad. There are MANY responsible children; I was one myself. And if you truly believe your own words, wouldn’t education and training be the answer? Or is it just easier for you to say all kids are stupid and irresponsible so you can be negligent in your duty to educate the children that will be your future? I think it’s irresponsible and laziness on your part to just label all kids “stupid” and “irresponsible” instead of taking the time to educate them and provide them with proper training.

Angela Christen Banks

no one should own because people are just to unpreditable

NiteGoat

Sure. On private property, I have no issues with grade school children driving. I learned to drive a stick at age 11.

Kim Serrahn

I’m wondering why Tx didn’t think of it first. I know they let teachers have guns in classrooms now and they teacher won’t get in trouble for shooting a student.

glogrrl

It’s a Stand Your Ground state.

Kim Serrahn

Texas and Alabama should get together. In Tx teachers can shoot first and ask question while child bleeds out. And now Alabama. I can just see the headline, Teacher shot for handing out too much Homework.

Has the world gone nuts? Common sense is out the window.

glogrrl

Oh, common sense went out the window some time ago. I think it was about the time the Tea Party showed up.

Galley_Queen

OK - you want children to have guns? Then every time there is an “accident”, all signators of this bill will be completely responsible for any and all outcomes. Sounds fair to me.

therain

That doesn’t even make sense. You must be a liberal.

Vergent Bill

“BANG, BANG, BANG….YOU ARE DEAD !!!”

Dawna

Wow……How did they manage to elect a large enough group of utter morons to even propose, much less seriously consider legislation like this? There will be many kids killing themselves and others, accidentally an otherwise…..the bullies…..the bullied…..and the clumsy. It won’t be safe for anyone to even visit Alabama. The Federal Government should step in and put a stop to such nonsense if they are too stupid to do so at the state level.

Tim Mantyla

It’s Alabama. Outrageously high poverty and obesity rates, racist lynchings, too many guns… It all goes hand in hand with low intelligence, high evangelical church membership and high rates of NRA membership.
- blackwood777
  
  You are a total moron……
therain

Because they believe in the constitution, and you are in a small minority. Have a nice day.

Steven Levy

Let’s put things in perspective here.

This is just crazy! Putting a weapon in the hands of any child with ranging hormones is just irresponsible. I don’t care who you are, what your background is, it doesn’t really matter. The reason that we place an age limit on certain activities is because we don’t want to lose our children for doing something stupid because their hormones have run-amok.

I have teenagers and have witnessed this first hand. One minute your loving, well mannered child is just as sweet as can be, the next their a punching a hole in your sheet-rock because you asked them to clean their room but they either didn’t like your tone, or their girlfriend ticked them off, or they feel pressured at school, or the sun is shining that day or isn’t. No big deal, it’s just sheet-rock and can be easily repaired.

Now take that same teenager and place a weapon in their hands… the results can be devastating as putting a slug into someone can be rather permanent. For no other reason than the child is having a bad day and their hormones are running amok.

This is just a bad idea, period.

glogrrl

Thank you. This is one of the most logical and coherent explanations of this very bad idea. Too bad 2nd Amendment ammosexuals don’t seem to understand this.
blackwood777

If your kids are punching holes in your sheet rock then you suck a raising children. I agree if you allow that kind of behavior in your house from your children then yes I would never trust that child with a firearm. My kids were raised properly and were also raised handling firearms both long guns and pistols from a young age just like me and have grown up to be productive young men. My kids weren’t perfect but they knew better than to do anything like that in my house.
- Steven Levy
  
  I disagree! Every child during puberty gets frustrated and quite frankly I would rather have a child express frustration as opposed to keeping it all inside. That just creates a time bomb waiting to go off and setting them up for failure. With raging hormones anything can happen, I would much rather replace $2.50 worth of sheet-rock and a discussion afterwards rather than taking their frustration out on other kids, we call that bullying.
  
  If you believe that you have your raised your children in some far superior way than the rest of us poor folks, then please write a manual for parenting so we can all follow your prime example. Until then please don’t judge the way I raise my children!
  
  I am very proud of my kids, they are intelligent, are well liked and respected by not only their peers but their teachers and other parents as well. That is because my wife and I have raised them to respect everyone, not just people they agree with, but also place value in disagreement. I am not perfect, nor is my wife, nor are my kids, however, I allow them to make mistakes because I find that sometimes that is the best teacher.
  
  Finding what ways to vent frustration is one of those type of lessons. How to deal with it constructively or destructively. Punching a whole in a wall does not make a bad kid, it provides a learning opportunity and hurts no one expect possibly his hand. which will heal.
  
  That being said, putting a weapon in the hands of a child may be all right by you, and I respect that, I just don’t agree with it. I still believe that there is far too much risk placed especially in a pre-teen.
therain

In rural areas kids grow up with guns, and have a lot lower rate of violence than your ghetto thugs.

Vergent Bill

The average IQ in Alabama is 95.7.

firefighterbill

Gee, it makes you wonder why Huntsville, Alabama has the highest per capita of engineers in the Nation.
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  Who says engineers are smart? LOL

Jane Conrad

Note to self: Stay out of Alabama!

Ebony

A bunch of hostile hyper active kids with guns going to school. Hey what can go wrong?

Annie Anderson

How does state trump Federal?

Peter

Is this a joke

joe ebbitt

two words , “Freedumb”.

Christine Stevenson

let the south secede, do it now. we’d all be better off in the long run.

blackwood777

The author of this article obviously leans hard to the left as do most of the people making stupid comments here. We don’t have crime problems in Alabama such as democratic controlled states like Illinois. We’re a pro gun state and will always be….. so it that offends you stay out of Alabama cause we don’t want you here either. Worry about your own city and getting robbed cause it don’t happen that much here.

witsend

Alabama gets what Alabama deserves.

Daytripper

“Alabama has shown the level of intelligence present in its lawmakers.” REALLY?!?!?

glogrrl

And I believe that level has flatlined.

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Atlanta, along with every other large city of its type, including Chicago, New York, Houston, and others, with their inner city poverty, gang, and drug problems, are the places in which the lion’s share of murders are occurring, yes.

So what? Where is your evidence that Georgia’s “guns everywhere” law has anything whatsoever to do with these statistics? Oh yea, it doesn’t exist. These rates were high BEFORE the law went into effect, and there is no evidence to suggest that this law has raised murder rates. At all.

But don’t let the facts get in the way of your little diatribe.

Ron Toussaint

I think it’s another way to kill the children who have escaped Abortion. That’s smart!

glogrrl

Never was on a debate team. Was a high school English teacher.

NiteGoat

WOW, an English teacher you say?! Yet you use words such as “gonna” and “ammosexual”. I mean, we all know why you weren’t on the debate team. But your poor grammar would have made my 7th grade English teacher want beat you with a sawed-off hockey stick (which he kept on the eraser ledge of his blackboards).

You would have failed his class. So I’m not sure how you were able to get your English Teaching degree. You should ask for a tuition refund.

NiteGoat

You loose any and all credibility when you open your comment with calling someone an “idiot”.

Willie

ok where did you get that fact from??? post that one @chrisc

Marshall

This sounds like an article in ‘The Onion.’…A spoof…So now the politicians chose the NRA over their progeny…Bat-shit insane…Justified as bringing reason & common sense back into gun legislation…

http://religionandpolitics.org/ religion&politics

LOL, shaddup ya doofus

Laura

religion&politics, if you think you are going to change anyone’s minds with your ridiculous rhetoric you really are delusional. Just like no one is going to change your mind you only make people stick to their guns (haha, see what I did there) even more because your arguments are ridiculous.
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  Shush up ya old bat. Your comment clearly shows me that you have either not read my comments on this page, or that you are entirely immune to both logic and reason.
  - Karen Mason
    
    freak troll
- therain
  
  And the number of gun owners is rising daily. You’re not very effective, are you?
- glogrrl
  
  religion&politics needs to get a job…..I’m sure with his undereducated vocabulary and his obvious disdain for other people’s opinions and actual facts make him well-qualified to be a bloviator on Faux Noise. Let’s see what hateful, meanspirited, and vicious comments he comes up with in response to this.
Karen Mason

troll

binkilicious

georgis is 13th in murder b y guns of top 20 fyi that is just deplorable in and of itself but alabama is 5th

Melinda Killie

If it is true…. stupid, Stupid, STUPID!

therain

Silly article. In rural areas kids use guns at an early age. And guess what, their safety record is 100x city dweebs.

therain

Actually, obama tried to take our guns in early 2014. Don’t you follow the news? He tried, and after he lost, he was all like mister stompy-feet.

Dan Roberts

I am a gun owner and have hunted all my life. but I have never went into the woods hunting with a pistol, I have never been with another hunter who hunted with a pistol. When we shot at anything we shot to kill it. wounding any animal is inhumane and a pistol is just not that dependable to know you are even going to hit what you are shooting at ;let alone make sure it dies a quick fast death, If you hunters in Alabama tell me you hunt with pistols I do not believe you.

firefighterbill

People hunt with handguns in probably every state. I killed a deer with one last year and it pretty much died in it’s tracks. Because YOU don’t do it doesn’t mean it is inhumane. You do realize that there are pistols made specifically for hunting? I had one until recently that was in 7mm-08 caliber. Some are bigger than that.

James Moe Morency

This may shock you, but 99.9 gun owners are responsible and shoot no one. Do you realize there are over 300 million Americans who didn’t get shot today? Also 300 million guns in America. I went in the service back in 73. I was 17, the government had no trouble giving me a gun.

didyewvote

More guns, more gun crime

Numerous
studies have found that gun ownership correlates with gun homicide, and
homicide by gun is the most common type of homicide in the United
States. In 2013, for example, there were 16,121 total homicides in the
United States, according to the Centers for Disease Control and
Prevention (CDC), and 11,208 of those were carried out with a firearm. (Gun suicides
outpace gun homicides by far; in 2013, the CDC recorded 21,175 suicides
by firearm, about half of all suicides that year. Contrary to popular
belief, suicide is typically an impulsive act, psychiatrists say. Ninety percent of people who attempt suicide once will not go on to complete a suicide later, but a suicide attempt using a gun is far more lethal than other methods.)

Monuteaux
and his colleagues wanted to test whether increased gun ownership had
any effect on gun homicides, overall homicides and violent gun crimes.
They chose firearm robbery and assault, because those crimes are likely
to be reported and recorded in the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI)
Uniform Crime Report.

Along
with that FBI data, the researchers gathered gun ownership rates from
surveys in the CDC’s Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance System, an
ongoing, nationally representative survey in which participants answered
questions about gun ownership in 2001, 2002 and 2004. Using those years
and controlling for a slate of demographic factors, from median
household income, population density, to age, race and more, the
researchers compared crime rates and gun ownership levels state by
state.

They found no evidence
that states with more households with guns led to timid criminals. In
fact, firearm assaults were 6.8 times more common in states with the
most guns versus states with the least. Firearm robbery increased with
every increase in gun ownership except in the very highest quintile of
gun-owning states (the difference in that cluster was not statistically
significant). Firearm homicide was 2.8 times more common in states with
the most guns versus states with the least. [Private Gun Ownership in the US (Infographic)]

The
researchers were able to test whether criminals were simply trading out
other weapons for guns, at least in the case of homicide. They weren’t.
Overall homicide rates were just over 2 times higher in the most
gun-owning states, meaning that gun ownership correlated with higher
rates of all homicides, not just homicide with a gun. The results will
be published in a forthcoming issue of the American Journal of Preventive Medicine.

firefighterbill

But in many cases ……more guns= LESS total crime and murders.

didyewvote

so Mr Religion and politics…. please explain to me what possible use your precious gun-tool might have in 2016. Do you fix your car with it? Repair your screen door?

firefighterbill

If you look at total murders per capita the US is FAR from the worst. You cannot compare total deaths between the US and a tiny country . The fact is that approximately 4.4 people are murdered here every year per 100,000 of population , . I doubt not having access to a gun has ever stopped anyone from killing themselves if they really wanted to do it. So it makes no sense whatsoever to include those figures in this discussion. Dead is dead , no matter how someone was murdered. In 1996, for example, you were far more likely to be shot to death in America than in any of 35 other wealthy nations, but you were also less likely to be the victim of murder, or of violent crime in general. Having guns PREVENTS murders here. Another example……..The former Soviet Union’s extremely stringent gun controls, successfully implemented and enforced by a police state, did not keep the nation, and successor states like Russia, from posting murder rates from 1965-1999 that far outstripped the rest of the developed world. The killers in question did not obtain illegal firearms — they simply employed other weapons. By the early 1990s, the murder rate in Russia tripled the American rate, See if you liberals would open your minds a bit you would see that you are WRONG.

firefighterbill

Now that’s some real logic there. Actually we invite all of ISIS down to Alabama. Be glad to have em here. I have been told they taste like chicken and if not they would surely make good hog feed. I can assure you that they would much rather pick on some gun free zone like Chicago, Detroit , NYC or Washington DC. They would be wiped out and quick if they tried to conquer the freedom loving states where there are few liberal pansies.

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Oh shush ya old bat. You have no idea what you’re talking about, as per the usual. Sure, I can buy meat at the grocery store, but hunting my meat ends up costing me less money, which is one of the ways of feeding a family. Get a grip.

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Wrong. Just because you feel that no one “needs” to hunt for food doesn’t make it true. There are plenty of us that hunt for only the meat. I’ve never kept a trophy in my life, but I have relatives that do, so keep your nasty, baseless name-calling to yourself, ok? Watching some hipster loser like you attempt to judge an entire group of people based on far less than all the information is so comical it makes my teeth ache. Mind your own business libturd.

Stuart Pollock

A personal anecdote the rule doesn’t make. Anyway, your imperious condescension in aid of gun-nut nincompoopery has become tedious: a snarky rehearsal of dishonest logic It doesn’t ennoble or make brave sneaking around in the woods with high-powered weapons looking for something unarmed to kill (always from a safe distance of course) for your own goddamn amusement. That the victims end up on your dinner-menu instead of a wall doesn’t improve your tortured logic or disguise your blood-lust. It’s just sick-shit, Sport. Some real sick-shit.

P. S. Your harrumphs from up there on your high-horse to sanitize hunting for the fun of killing notwithstanding, arming school-children who gun-sickos teach that taking life for their own amusement is noble and brave, is not smart. Sooner or later there’ll be a fire-fight in the lunch-room.
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  And your “imperious condescension” in aid of gun grabbery nincompoopery has become equally tedious. Don’t you have some skinny jeans to put on? Perhaps a latte to be purchasing in a Starbucks with your food stamps while working on that screenplay? Some vegan tofu to be chomping on? Perhaps a boyfriend to ram your tiny pec ker into? I mean after all, all you gun grabbing sissies are exactly the same, right?
  
  You’re the worst kind of judgmental pr!ck, you know that? You have just about ZERO idea what you’re talking about, you condemn the actions of an entire swath of the population engaged in a completely natural activity that has taken place since the dawn of man (hunting for food) based on the actions of a very few trophy hunters with whom you disagree. You’re a despicable, know-nothing coward.
  
  http://www.cpr.Org/news/story/hunting-meat-tops-hunting-sport-new-survey
  - Stuart Pollock
    
    Your imperious belligerence (not a surprise from a gun-fetishist) notwithstanding, arming school-children who angry gun-perverts like you have taught to use guns to take the lives of living things for their own amusement is — well — perverted.
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      Again, these children are ALREADY armed and learning to hunt at a young age. I’m sure over there in merry ol London the only thing you limey pri cks hunt are foxes. Over here across the pond, we have plenty of larger animals to shoot that are very good to eat. Again, we shoot these animals to EAT, not for our “amusement.”
      
      Although I do see how coming from a culture that pretty much only shoots foxes from horseback would make this difficult to understand.
    - JamieHaman
      
      If the hunters don’t save the fox, the dogs tear it to pieces. If they do, they shoot it, and take the tail.
      I prefer the fox to be shot, myself.
    - glogrrl
      
      You know, religion&politics seems to have endless hours to bloviate…..I’m guessing his base of operations is his mother’s basement.
    - http://religionandpolitics.org/ religion&politics
      
      Oh shush ya old bat. Just because you can’t actually refute any of my arguments, you resort to name calling. You’re here too, now aren’t you?
    - glogrrl
      
      Where are those links to real facts? So far you’ve just spouted your opinion.
    - http://religionandpolitics.org/ religion&politics
      
      Links to “real facts”? LOL I said “argument,” not “facts.”
      
      However, I have provided several such links, use your eyes. Most recently I cited a study showing that the majority of hunters hunt for food instead of sport.
      
      http://www.cpr.Org/news/story/hunting-meat-tops-hunting-sport-new-survey
      
      Where are YOUR “links to real facts”?
    - didyewvote
      
      what a surprise! an NRA offshoot “Responsive Management” writes an article about a “study” they did (no facts or figures, mind you)… that “proves” that people hunt for food rather than sport. Yes, and the moon is made of green cheese. Still waiting for YOUR link to real facts Mr. Religion and Politics.
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      yawn. Translation: “I don’t like what this article says, so it MUST be biased! I can’t possibly have real facts or evidence interfering with my preconceptions!”
    - didyewvote
      
      It must be biased because the authorship has links to the NRA. A bunch of paranoid rednecks who won’t let go of their dicks (er, guns).
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      Um, ok. You’re officially an idiot. I don’t say that often in these forums, but you clearly deserve it. The NRA takes a serious interest in hunting. This group is a survey research firm that deals with sporting and hunting issues. Only a complete fool would discard what they find simply because their interests run parallel to that of the NRA. Plus, these findings aren’t in any way politically charged. They’re not asking about ownership or defensive uses or anything like that, only about hunting and sport shooting. Seriously, stop being such a dickw eed.
  - didyewvote
    
    oh, and I forgot to mention…… your little “yawn” comment has been overused, and you’re starting to sound like you’re about 8 years old. Give it a rest.
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      Is that seriously all you’ve got?? LOL!!
    - glogrrl
      
      I think you’re being too generous….I’d put his comments’ attitudes at more like 6.

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Oh shush ya old, ignorant bat. The fact that humans have canine teeth most certainly IS proof that we were designed to eat meat. Such is the consensus of biological science. Good lord you’re ignorant.

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Yea, those pesky facts are RACIST. You know, the fact that thee 6% of the population that are black men are responsible for fully HALF of all homicides and assaults in this country, along with a host of other crimes at widely disproportional rates. Pointing out this fact is totally RACIST! #sarc

If his facts are indeed “incorrect,” go ahead and prove it. We’ll wait. My guess is that you’re all whine and bluster and just about ZERO facts.

http://religionandpolitics.org/ religion&politics

Sorry, but your silly little comparison FAILS big time. Since when can a criminal use child prn or drugs to harm me and my family? Since when do good people use child prn or drugs to legally defend themselves?

We ALREADY keep records of gun sales and serial numbers. Wow, you really don’t know anything at all about this issue, do you?

didyewvote

your “facts” are incorrect. look at the published statistics… with the exception of DC, gun violence is far more prevalent in states with lax gun laws.

http://religionandpolitics.org/ religion&politics

WRONG. Which are the cities with by far the largest number of murders? DC, New York, Chicago, Baton Rouge, New Orleans, the majority in blue states, and ALL are large BLUE cities. Red areas in which people are free to own guns without fear of being locked up for exercising a basic human right are the safest places in the country. Try again troll.

didyewvote

I find it interesting that “religion and politics” seems to have a free hand to insult others on this page while I continually get “reviewed” and then deleted while rebutting his asinine remarks.

http://religionandpolitics.org/ religion&politics

oh shush. Some of us have JOBS that we have to go to during the day. See my rebuttal above.

http://religionandpolitics.org/ religion&politics

There ya go again, lumping in suicides into your dishonest “gun deaths” statistic. Plus, this article only says that gun deaths “may surpass” vehicle deaths this year, but ignores the fact that fully 2/3 of these gun deaths are people intentionally taking their own lives. Completely dishonest, apples-to-oranges comparison, the height of gun grabber lunacy.

http://religionandpolitics.org/ religion&politics

“Real facts”?? LOL!!! stfu libtard

didyewvote

“LOL” is NOT a refutation of the facts I presented. Nor is calling me a libtard. The true depth of your intelligence is sneaking out from under your white hood. Please don’t bother to reply until you have something concrete that might influence my thinking.

http://religionandpolitics.org/ religion&politics

Get a grip ya twit. There are plenty of us over here in “flyover” country that still hunt for meat, and just because you prefer to eat your meat off of food carts and pretend that an animal didn’t have to die for you to eat it doesn’t make you right. Enough with your know-nothing arrogance. STFU and go back to your latte grandma.

http://religionandpolitics.org/ religion&politics

Sure, we have more “gun” deaths per capita than other developed nations, but we have far more guns too. Why are you ONLY concerned with evil, scary “gun” deaths, and not overall deaths? How pathetic and dishonest. Move along grandma.

didyewvote

so you weren’t happy with someone’s argument that we have more gun deaths because they didn’t give you “per capita” figures. when I supply them they are no longer important. talk about dishonest. you want to talk overall deaths? you mean like heart attacks? get real. the debate is about guns. I’m not even concerned about rifles, own all you want. Handguns and automatic weapons have got to go. living in backwoods Alleybammy you obviously have no idea what the gun violence problem is like in the inner cities. Imagine Tombstone Az. in the 1880’s then multiply by 100. I can already hear your answer…. something like “it’s the criminals, not the guns”. Let them be criminals with only knives and sticks instead and let just the cops have the guns. Oh wait, that might allow Obama to take over, I forgot.
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  The debate IS about guns, yes, but when you lump SUICIDES into your dishonest debate, you’ve already lost. When you try to blame our 3.5 gun homicides per 100k population on our gun laws, without considering our problems with poverty, gangs, and open borders, you’ve already lost the argument.
  
  Automatic weapons have ALREADY been largely inaccessible to the public since 1934 (not technically illegal in many states, but very difficult to get), and you grabbers already tried to ban handguns in the 80s. The problem is that we didn’t go for it then, and we’re certainly not going to now.
  
  You want to talk inner city? What about all the innocent people that live in these places that your laws would disarm? Who would have the guns if you made them illegal? The criminals would continue to have them, and ONLY the criminals. Why is it that DC and Chicago have such terrible crime problems, when they had the EXACT types of bans you’re talking about for decades. And before you whine and b*tch about criminals leaving the city to purchase guns out of state, just remember that guns would not cease to exist just because you banned them. Just like drugs, they would find their way in. Stop living in a fantasy world.
  - didyewvote
    
    Do really live that far back in the woods? Automatic weapons have been inaccessible to the public? Exactly where is that? And unfortunately you’re probably right about handguns not going away (I know, you need them for hunting, right?) as long as there are knuckle-draggers like you running around there will be a market for them. Do you really use a handgun for hunting? Because I know that, for you, guns are only tools. No, you want to fetish your handgun in hopes that you can confront a “criminal’ AND SHOOT HIM TO DEATH SOMEDAY, like your hero in Florida.

http://religionandpolitics.org/ religion&politics

Gee, nice “unbiased” and “quality” source you’ve got there. You don’t see me citing the NRA, what makes you think that your entirely biased bullcrap citation should be taken any more seriously? Plus, this article actually doesn’t say ANYTHING new, all it says is that “gun” deaths (both homicides and suicides) “may” rise above vehicle deaths. YAWN. Try again libturd.

didyewvote

Are you kidding (YAWN)? I pointed out that your “study” was written by an NRA offshoot. So you are citing the NRA (asshole). No reality there, just paranoid gun/dick dreams. Are you brain dead? Or worse, brain dead with a gun? Or brain dead with brain dead kids with guns? God help Alleybammy. you condumb.
- http://religionandpolitics.org/ religion&politics
  
  Are you for real? Survey research asking people about their HUNTING habits is not going to be conducted by Bloomberg’s folks, or those that don’t take an interest in hunting. I suppose you can cite a competing study (conducted by an anti-gun group of course) that found just the opposite? No? Hmmmm…you are far too long on insults and bombast and far too short on pecker and brains.

http://religionandpolitics.org/ religion&politics

Yes, automatic weapons, short-barreled rifles, and suppressors have all been largely inaccessible to the public (except for the very rich) since 1934. It was called the National Firearms Act. Look it up. I find it hilarious how people like you want to change our guns laws so badly, when you don’t understand them at all in the first place. LOL

The 2A isn’t only about hunting doofus, so stop pretending like it is. And YES, handguns can be used for hunting. For example, I carry a 357mag when hunting in case of bears. Good up close if needed.

You should really stop projecting your silly Rambo scenarios onto gun owners. You confuse wanting to be prepared and protect oneself and family with the desire to kill for no reason. How small-minded (and closed-minded) of you. Zim is no hero, just a knucklehead who successfully defended himself against a criminal thug and is now paying the price for having survived.

http://religionandpolitics.org/ religion&politics

LOL. I know the automatic weapons laws backwards and forwards. You clearly do not, so just keep on whining and b*tching about it, it’s hilarious to watch. You do not understand our gun laws at all, so wipe that froth off your lips.

Really, the 2A is about having a militia? Interesting, because the SCOTUS, along with earlier drafts of the 2A unearthed by researchers during the preparation of briefs for DC v Heller 2008, firmly disagrees with you on this one. The SCOTUS has affirmed that that 2A has always been an individual right, as the “militia” referred to in the original 2A language were all able-bodied men of fighting age. It’s just hilarious how you simply refuse to accept this simple fact. You lost. Get over it libtard.

didyewvote

Since this site chooses to continue to “review” and then delete my posts, I’m sorry to say I am out of here. It’s been fun R&P keep fighting your good fight!

http://religionandpolitics.org/ religion&politics

Gee, good for you, throw in a few last insults and run away ya p*ssy. The NRA is interested in promoting gun ownership and safety in all its forms. Seriously, don’t be a douchenozzle. Their goals and aims are clear to see for anyone who cares to look. You’re a very poor loser, you know that? Plus your little avatar pic is spot-on monkey boy.

didyewvote

I don’t deny it. Your gun makes you “mighty mighty”

Stephen Gray

Have Alabama lost its common sense?

marytg

great they can kill there stupid parents. then go to school huning kids and teachers who they don’t like

vinman043

The real money in Alabama will be becoming a mortician.

http://religionandpolitics.org/ religion&politics

LOL, funny!

You’re only telling half the story on US v Cruikshank. The 2A does not grant rights to anyone, no. Instead, it RECOGNIZES a pre-existing right and places limits on the ways in which the government can infringe upon that right, just like every other amendment.

US v Miller? You want to know what’s funny about this case?? The type of shotguns that were banned under this ruling were actually in use by the military at that time. The justices were not made aware of this fact, so the Miller decision will go down in history as one of the greatest f-ups of all time.

Melinda Killie

THIS is about the most STUPID idea i have heard in a long time. Alabama, you better also have a factory that makes “body bags,” because you are going to need a helluva lot of them! Stupid, backwards thinking hicks!

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