Libertarian Group’s Advice on How To Avoid Rape: Not Dressing Slutty Is ‘Risk Mitigation’

A page on Facebook called Being Classically Liberal (BCL), a Libertarian page, posted commentary on how women can reduce the risk of rape: By dressing modestly. The poster explains:

When people say that young women should dress modestly in order to avoid being raped, it’s because they believe in risk mitigation, it’s not because they think rape is acceptable.

According to BCL, rape is caused by scandalously clad women who are taunting out-of-control men.

NO.

Get your facts straight BCL. What you’re doing IS blaming the victim for their rape, “dress it” however you want. There is no such thing as “risk mitigation” in these circumstances. Women are raped wearing sweatpants and baggy T-shirts. Women are raped wearing burqas. Lulling modestly-dressed women into a false sense of security is irresponsible.

There is no such thing as “safe-clothing”

The page didn’t stop there, however. BCL came back after being reprimanded by their followers the page went on to explain in a another post that they understand rapists are criminals but then goes on to use a tired analogy to further explain the modest dress post:

For example, obviously robbery is wrong, and we shouldn’t blame people for being robbed, but at the same time, it’s probably a smart idea to lock your doors at night in order to minimize the risk of being robbed. When people advise women to dress modestly, it’s because they believe it will reduce their chances of being victimized.

Let’s dissect the robbery analogy here for a second, because BCL obviously thinks they’re onto something with that one since they have used it in two separate posts. In the analogy the robber is the rapist. We’re good there, it’s a fair comparison. Women are the house, okay so far. The unlocked door is the clothing, it’s inviting a robber in essentially, getting shaky here, an unlocked door doesn’t invite a burglar because the burglar has to walk to the door first. BCL forgets that the unlocked lock is still on a closed door. The door being an analogy for the word ‘no’. Any burglar that opens an unlocked door is still breaking and entering. So whether it’s an unlocked door on a mansion or an apartment makes no difference here. Not to mention, if a burglar wants to rob a domicile there’s always another way in. It really matters very little what “allowed” the crime to take place. The problem starts and ends with the burglar just as it does a rapist.

Even if a woman is scantily clad, this only follows the logic that “Women’s bodies are deserving of rape.”

In a CDC national survey, the study shows most women were raped by someone who was known to them. The study shows that 51.1 percent of perpetrators were intimate partners to the victim, 40.8 percent were acquaintances and 12.5 percent were family members. Only 13.8 percent of perpetrators were strangers. We’re talking about lecturing women for the way they dress for a measly 13.8 percent of rapists here? As far as risk mitigation goes, women should virtually have to have no friendly contact with men. That’s not an acceptable way to deal with the problem either.

Rape isn’t about sexual attraction, though it may play a small role, the motivating feelings behind a rape are anger, power, and control. It’s more of a violent act and less a sexual one. Any person can be the object of violence, it has nothing to do with clothing. Women, men and children of all ages are raped. It’s not just for the pretty girls in short dresses.

This idea that attire is the cause of rape also insults men, because they are seen as out-of-control, wild dogs who can’t help but hump your leg. Are you going to take that, guys?

Can women take precautions to avoid rape? Sure, but women can take every precaution in the world and still end up being raped. Dressing modestly is not a likely precaution that will stop someone in their tracks though, so it’s still incredibly important to educate EVERYBODY (not just men) that rape is wrong and what the warning signs are.

A movement, called the “Slut Walk”, is gaining momentum to combat the ideal that a woman in “slutty” clothing is begging to be raped. Women show as much skin as they wish and shout that they are “Not asking for it” as they protest. The march takes place on the International Day Against Victim Blaming in April. To find out more about this movement, click here. Also a great way to avoid rape is not by changing your clothing, but by self-defense. Learn some moves by clicking here.

Being Classically Liberal‘s Facebook post:

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The premise that women can hope to avoid rape simply by dressing modestly is flawed. Facebook.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • Steven Clyde

    Jenna,

    Very poor journalism to take such things like this out of context so you can spout on about your views.

    The person from BCL did not at any time state that the way to 100% prevent rape is to dress a certain way; they did not even give a VIEWPOINT on the subject. All they stated was that people who suggest that womans clothing MAY affect their chances of getting raped simply hold the personal view that clothing may be ONE of the preventative means of stopping rape. It does not matter if you think that view is crazy or skewed; the idea was simply being combatted that people who hold this view are “victim blamers” and think people who have been raped deserved what happened to them. Not a single rational adult in a debate has ever stated that; rape is horrible and no one is denying that.

    On the other hand, I like how in the end you throw in “but by self-defense.” and link us to a video about some old guy showing grappling techniques in some backyard? How do you feel about a womans right to carry a firearm to protect herself then? Thats a hell of a lot more plausible then getting your rapist in a chokehold; its just not going to happen. Also if you think you can watch a youtube video and automatically know how to fight off rapists you dont know squat about martial arts or the practice it takes to really learn how to defend yourself with your bare hands.

    One last thing ill add is your hilarious analogy on putting locks on your door; “There’s no point on putting locks on your door because a robber can find other means to enter!”

    Well yes that might be true but, if we are being logically consistent would you also put a sign out in your front yard stating “Lock-Free House”?

    • cravin moorehead

      After reading the sign, “Lock-Free House”, I still wouldn’t enter the house.

      On the other hand, I guess YOU would.

      Now, just to be on the really safe side……Do you wear a burka?

      • Fridgeworks

        You wouldn’t as you are not a robber by trade, someone who robs people regularly would however.

        Criminals do not care about what is legal because they will break the law anyway.

        • cravin moorehead

          Well in that case, why don’t we just do away with ALL laws?

          You just don’t get it,and, you never will.

          • Fridgeworks

            You lack a large amout of common sense.

            Not everyone is a nice person, it’s something we all have to deal with

          • cravin moorehead

            Your paranoia is how the gun manufacturers make their money.

            It’s going to be OK. Calm down. Really, it’s OK.

            Now, put the gun down and relax. Chances are you’ll hurt someone that you love, before you shoot a criminal.

            It’s OK……

          • Fridgeworks

            I live in the UK, so consequently I do not own any guns yet.

            Chances are even with eapons, you won’t hurt someone you love if you follow the proper precautions with them.

            Accidental guns deaths are usually due to idiots not knowing the dangers.

          • cravin moorehead

            Well, since you don’t live in the US, let me inform you that those “idiots not knowing the dangers”, are what we call here, “NRA members.”

            Those people are stupid enough to believe the tales of false danger promulgated by the gun manufacturers,and pushed by or NRA.

            They rely on the cowardice of gun owners. Guns DON’T MAKE YOU SAFER.

          • Fridgeworks

            Gun’s don’t make you safer, but they can increase your odds of survival in certain situations.

            I find it odd that the “National Rifle Association” would allow anyone to join without knowing how to use a gun.

            Why are you against guns, may I ask?

          • cravin moorehead

            …Because 36,000 people a year are victims of accidental gun death in the U.S.A.

            …Because there are more than 16 mass murders committed in the U.S.A.

            …Because the only reason that we don’t have reasonable gun laws in the United States, is because of the gun Lobbyists. There motive is greed at ANY cost. That includes the cost of a human life.

            BTW - How many people in the UK die of accidental gun deaths?

            We’re #1! USA!USA!USA!

            Any more questions?

          • Fridgeworks

            Can you cite that source? As all of the numbers I see for homicides in comparison to gun violence contradict each other

            There have only been 8 rampage killings in the US - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers#Americas

            In total however, there have been 22 mass killings

            What would you say are reasonable gun laws?

          • cravin moorehead

            Gun owners should be given mandatory criminal background checks, and drug checks, in ALL cases where guns are changing hands.

            Put and end to the stupid, “Open Carry” laws, that allow semi automatic weapons to be displayed in restaurants and movie theaters. Anyone that doesn’t find such display stupid is, himself, a fool. This is only done to show just how powerful that person is. Actually, it only shows that individual’s cowardice.

            There should also be mandatory drug tests as well as mandatory liability insurance to cover deaths resulting from the ownership of their own firearm.

            In other words, make gun owners take responsibility for gun ownership.

          • Fridgeworks

            Makes sense to me, except “ALL semi-automatic weapons”.

            I’d limit that to anything besides pistols or revolvers.

            You keep going back to cowardice, yet I don’t think you understand what that word means.

            Mandatory drugs tests? When?

            Liability insurance kind of makes sense, but you’d need to look at if that were to include defensive acts or not.

          • Chuck Reichenbach

            For a guy that threatens people with pistol whipping on the internet you are a dumb one. I think you are projecting your violent thoughts on everyone else. Yes you are a violent little fascist, aren’t you?

          • cravin moorehead

            That wasn’t my post, you dumb fuck.

            See what happens when you touch yourself, too much.

          • Chuck Reichenbach

            There should be mandatory back ground checks and drug tests for free speech too I guess. You are just a whole lot of dumb.

          • cravin moorehead

            I guess you wouldn’t pass the test, coward.

            See what I mean?

          • Chuck Reichenbach

            No more rights for you jack ass. Off to the concentration camp with you.

          • Chuck Reichenbach

            Slave owning Democrats were for disarming blacks so was the KKK. The NRA was started to arm freed black slaves and Republicans against the KKK. Looks like you white hooded fuckers are at it still now you racists bastards want everyone disarmed.

          • cravin moorehead

            Ah, another illiterate post by “Dumb Fuck Chuck.”

            Did you say something or were you just farting again?

            No one can tell the difference.

          • Chuck Reichenbach

            You’d be able to tell if someone is talking if you just pull your head outta your ass. 😉

          • cravin moorehead
          • Fridgeworks

            I’m sorry, but this whole thread screams to me you don’t want anything to exist that reminds you there are things that will kill you in this world.

          • Chuck Reichenbach

            I think you want disarmed victims. Your afraid of getting shot when trying to rape people aren’t you? Keep up trying to convince your potential victims that guns don’t work.

      • Chuck Reichenbach

        Straw man lately? Common Cravin your just as dishonest as Jenna. Being as dishonest as you are, I would advise my daughter to dress modestly and lock her doors around you. If that doesn’t deter you the gun she carries in her purse will. Women carrying guns trains liberal men to not rape. Why is it always up to us to train you dumbasses?

        • cravin moorehead

          Hey, Chucky! You don’t know me, you ass hole.

          You, like all right wing gun tools, are making another uneducated assumption.

          So, let me tell you how this can work.

          I’m going to make an assumption.

          I’m going to assume that you molest your daughter, on a regular basis.

          I’m going to assume that when you aren’t molesting her, that you carry a gun to your strong arm home burglaries, and then go to an NRA meeting to make it easier for you to do what you do.

          As for training me……why you stupid fuck. You couldn’t train a cocker spaniel.

          One more piece of advice.

          NEVER bring a knife to a gun fight, you gutless ass hole.

          YOU DON’T KNOW ME.

          • Chuck Reichenbach

            Well we know where your fantasies are about. Incestuous rape? Don’t project on me. You leftists are just pissed we are arming women so you leftists can’t get away with raping them. We all know why democraps want to disarm women, you violent rapist cunts.

        • CharlieAdamsInKY

          Chuckles, I gotta tell ya: You could really use the barrel of a pistol wrapped right over your snout a few times to train YOU in how to talk to people, you right-wing piece of shit.

          • Chuck Reichenbach

            Typical violent leftist. That’s all right, I am prepared for you violent fuckers. 😉 What’s wrong Charlie? You pissed off that us right wingers are arming our women so as to make them tougher for you to rape? Dumb ass!

          • CharlieAdamsInKY

            I take that back. What you REALLY need is the butt-end of a shotgun wrapped around your teeth.

        • Tammy Harper

          Oh yes Chuck. Advise your daughter to dress moderately because obviously she’s the real problem here, not the criminal rapist. Make her feel like it is her fault that they want to rape her, instead of the real reason. Their sick need for control, their anger & their rage & power. You should be so proud.

          • Chuck Reichenbach

            She already knows Tammy. My family takes responsibility for themselves. Nice strawman argument you got going there.

          • cravin moorehead

            Chuckles, didn’t I warn you NOT to bring a knife to a gin fight?

            Now, go and pour some right wing piss on your head, before the rounds in your shirt pocket cook off.

            BTW - Has your daughter turned you in yet? You might want to keep a bag packed. Prepare yourself for an unexpected knock on the door. I understand that Child Protective Services, likes to surprise potential predators.

          • Chuck Reichenbach

            There you go projecting again. Guess you know all about surprises from CPS.

          • cravin moorehead

            Oh, look everyone. Chuckster brought a RUBBER knife to a gun fight.

            Did you watch the news today, ass hole. The dead cops and the dead teen in high school were victims of a “Well regulated militia.”

            Fucks like you get me sick. It worries me that ass holes like you are allowed to carry weapons.

            I won’t bother with any further communications with you as you are a blatant imbecile.

      • Tammy Harper

        If this doesn’t get Steven to realize that it doesn’t matter what lengths you go to, to deter a violent act from occurring, nothing will work. When you said, “I still wouldn’t enter the house”, this is the exact sentiments the majority of the world would be inclined to hold. Any normal person walking down the street, if they were to see a house with the front door open, would they then feel it is their right to go & invade their privacy & enter their home without the home owner’s permission? Just because you can do something, doesn’t mean you should.

    • Steven Clyde

      @cravinmoorehead:disqus

      Hilarious response.

      Yes because, me insinuating that no rational person would openly tell the world that their doors are wide open means I desperately have the urge to go inside peoples houses!

      Oh and how cute, and he accuses me of being Muslim too.

      You’re insane.

    • Jenna Duffy

      Look at all these men here, telling me I’m wrong. Did not expect that! /sarcasm

      Look, clothing is not analogous to a lock, because clothing DOES NOT PREVENT RAPE. Period. End of story. Clothing does not cause a person to rape. Women in modest clothes are raped all the time, and “slutty” attire is completely subjective anyway. It’s irresponsible to claim that there is such thing as safe clothing.

      If a woman wants to carry a firearm, and she is in her legal rights to do so, why would I care? All women should learn self-defense, with or without weapons, the video was just a good example of some moves. There are thousands more online plus classes that are widely available in every state. For the record, those moves can work and they can save lives. The point is not to try to beat a rapist but get away. I tried a few out myself and practiced them and they did get my big, muscular boyfriend off of me even though he was putting his full strength into it. Every situation is different, but it would be a waste of time to post every video with every move. I left one there as a reminder, but it would also take people to the self-defense section where hundreds more videos are available in the You Tube sidebar.

      If women listened to men like you, we’d be in burqas (and still getting raped) faster than you can say “I’m a victim blamer”. Bossing women around, and faulting them for their rapes because of choice of clothing is like saying, “We can’t really fault the robber for breaking into your mansion. You really brought this robbery on yourself by showing off with a big, fancy house.”

      • Steven Clyde

        The only person saying rape victims are being faulted is you; thats why this is all so insane. No one on either side of the argument has ever been on the side of rapists.

        Seriously, im fully aware you cant even understand a word im saying, but ill repeat myself again.

        It does not matter what your opinions are on clothing and whether or not that deters rapists; the POINT..and here is where you need to follow me and listen…the POINT is that people who hold a view different from yours that more decent attire may deter rapists DONT hold the mentality that rape victims bring it upon themselves….rather than out of the long list of things woman can do to prevent being raped maybe attire could be one of the preventative tools. Again, before you go spouting out the same nonsense you have (in front of the whole internet) you could at least realize you are putting words in peoples mouths. You misrepresent other peoples views to make yours sound rational.

        For the record though, I dont tell woman nor men how to act, dress, or conduct themselves in their daily lives. Adults should be whatever they want to do with their bodies and personal lives as long as they dont initiate force against anyone else.

        One last thing ill add Jenna is, you’re sexist. Your misandrious views are obvious from a mile away.

        That being said, let me rephrase your first sentence of your rebuttal in my own way: “Look at this woman who hates men tell me im wrong (because im a man). Did not expect that! *sarcasm*”

    • Tammy Harper

      Did you read the part where she stated that only 13.8% of rapes are committed by people the victim didn’t know? This means that the other 86.2% were committed by men these women knew. Clothing played absolutely no factor in the rape. As she said, it was all about power, rage & control, which is the case in all rapes. So, with only 13% of rapists actually not knowing their victim, how many do you truly believe stalked their victims for different periods of time, solely based on how they dressed? I bet not enough to even warrant this stupid BCL’s post on Facebook. And…. Even if all rapes were somehow based on how a woman dresses in public, how is it her fault that a man can’t keep his privates, private? He is the monster. He is the sick beast for not being able to control himself in public the way the majority of the male population do. This is like the law in the bible that states if a woman is raped in public, because she didn’t scream loud enough for others to hear, she & the rapist will be stoned to death. Like she could have somehow controlled her fate in this violent situation if she had just been a little louder & didn’t encourage him by being silent..
      As for the YouTube video, I can tell you from experience, just from watching the Facts of life as a young teen, I learned techniques about what to do to defend myself in situations such as this. Things like using your key to stab them in the eye. To kick them in their special spot. To hit them in their throat, etc. These are valuable lessons that you can take, without going to a special class. You are telling women reading your comment, that watching this video is a complete waste of time, thus giving them less tools on how to defend themselves in the future. You can learn some of the moves without mastering martial arts.
      You totally did not get the whole door lock analogy. If the burglar is the rapist, and the victim is the door, even if the door is locked (Referring to the door to the woman’s private area), if the burglar (Rapist) still enters, he is breaking the law for trespassing or breaking in and entering. He, the burglar (the rapist) is still breaking the law even though there wasn’t a lock (her modest clothing) on her door. As she said… And this is important here.. The crime began and ended with the burglar/rapist.

    • Betty Eyer

      A body is not a personal belonging that needs to be locked up. It’s a bad analogy. A body is the person and persons have civil rights. You are telling women that in order to feel safe that they should not be able to act the way a man does on a regular basis.

      Furthermore, you are running on the assumption that immodest clothing is a predictor of rape and I would REALLY love to see the research you have to back that up!

  • http://www.troubleinabubble.com Kurt Robinson

    If someone believes that dressing conservatively will decrease the chance of becoming a victim, then it makes sense for them to do it.
    If someone believes that knowing self-defence will decrease the chance of becoming a victim, then it makes sense for them to do it.

    Even if someone dresses in a revealing way, does that mean they’re asking to be raped? No, it does not. Does it mean the rapist is any less culpable? No, it does not. That was part of the point of BCL’s post.

  • Jess Tommassello

    To take the words “risk mitigation” and somehow pervert it into “scandalously clad women who are taunting out-of-control men” really is revealing. Men have been taught not to rape for thousands of years and you think that it’s suddenly going to change? Do you think that all men are good and there are no insane or bad people on the loose? So you advocate not taking precautions, getting black-out drunk surrounded by strangers, and not learning self defense methods because that is “victim blaming.” Right.

    Let me clue you in. RESPECTABLE men do not rape. If you are getting raped at parties then you are probably surrounded by immature savages, or maybe modern liberal-minded people such as yourself. I bet they’re super pro choice so you can suck out the little ZEF they put inside you, but hey, at least you agree on things!

    • Chuck Reichenbach

      Well said

    • Betty Eyer

      I question that men have been taught not to rape. There are some cultures where rape is considered a reasonable legal punishment. Rape is a common part of war in almost every culture. Rape is joked about apparently by some frat houses and foot ball teams. Rape has a very poor conviction rate and processing of rape kits is behind by years in many localities.

      Men who look or seem respectable do in fact rape. Guys from nice families rape. Rich guys rape. Your boss can be a rapist. Almost every restaurant manager I’ve ever heard of is at least into some serious harassment. Your uncle George can be a rapist. It’s really hard to tell which is which and I don’t think you really can be serious about tying rape to any particular political persuasion.

  • ErikViker

    It is not a “libertarian group.” It is a Facebook page. One person can create a Facebook page. The offending post is even written in the first person. The headline of Jenna’s article is irresponsible and poor journalism.

    • http://www.dclibertarians2014.blogspot.com/ BruceMajors4DC

      Have you noticed how desperate and threatened so called “progressives” are with these howlingly dumb smears on libertarians growing exponentially in frequency? Stalon and other leftover websites can’t go a week without a pay per view cyber rape of Ayn Rand’s corpse.

  • Jim Porter

    Dear Author: You are being ridiculous. The house analogy is perfect and like someone else said it is all about who is around you. If you live in a high crime area and leave your house unlocked you are much more likely to be robbed. So locking your doors is risk mitigation. If you get black out drunk at parties with lowlifes, not going half naked to the party IS risk mitigation. No one is saying rape is OK or blaming victims just saying that there is such thing as common sense. So in short parading your junk around is not saying “rape me” but it might, in some situations, make one more vulnerable to being raped. That is not a moral stance…it is a fact. Find someone else to demonize, this “group” has espoused nothing beyond common sense.

    • Betty Eyer

      No, the house analogy is not at all perfect.

      First assumption that fails in this analogy is that everyone knows and agrees on what modest dress is. Do we mean that American women should dress like they are Amish? Like they are going to an office? In some cultures even the ankles and bare feet are sexy. Where does this stop?

      Second assumption that fails is that modest dress actually prevents rape. I have never seen anyone try to prove that but everyone assumes that it’s true. If the rapist knows the victim, then they see them in a variety of dress.

      Third assumption is that the body is property. But no, it’s a human being. When it’s hot, the human being wants to wear light clothing. When going out to a party, the human wants to wear festive clothing. Why should the human being have to curtail their behavior for 40 years or so of their lives to prevent being a victim of crime.

  • Robert H. Pike

    So the assertion that women can avoid rape by dressing modestly is flawed because they already knew crazies that were likely to rape them, and no matter what they wore their associations were the factor not the way they dressed? Sorry; I agree with the “unlocked front door” hypothesis; if you make your home more accessible to strangers, you’re more likely to be robbed. If you wear provocative (or a lack or too revealing style of) clothing, you are inviting those who are more likely to abuse and invade you.

    We live in an increasingly crowded, increasingly challenging world. The population grows by nearly 1/4 million each day (that’s births minus deaths; google any population clock for data) so as we grow, our stress and competition grows because we have to fight for fewer jobs, resources and places to live.

    So if you don’t protect your home and your body; if you dress “provocatively”…you are more likely to attract “invaders”…it’s simple, it’s logical, and if you don’t want the invasion, don’t ask for it.

    Read this; it will help you understand why our growth is the root factor to this issue; It’s called “Population Density and Social Pathology”….I read it in my junior year in H.S. and it helped me decide my career.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2636191/

    • Betty Eyer

      Your clothes don’t make you accessible. They are easily ripped off. If a woman is the right “type” that can easily be seen through clothing. The thing that really makes women ‘accessible’ is usually the opportunity to attack them without getting caught, not the clothes she’s wearing. Nurses get raped walking through the parking lot after their shift at night wearing scrubs. You guys are so full of uninformed cliches, it’s pathetic.

      • Robert H. Pike

        Betty; that’s like saying your front door doesn’t make your home accessible. My home has been invaded twice; and each time little or nothing was taken because my door was locked, and my alarm was set.
        And, to group me with the “you guys” when criticizing me is not only pathetic, it’s bigotry. I never say “you gals”….nor “you women”…I have more respect for you than that.

        If you don’t get my point, you’re either naive, ignorant, or argumentative.

        The point I made, above, and I’ll repeat for you, is that if you wear conservative clothing, if you watch where you are going and when you’re there, you reduce or eliminate your chance encounters with hostile, ignorant, aggressive people (yes, usually “us guys”, a very bigoted comment). If you don’t agree with that basic argument you’re just “trolling” for the sake of debate. Get a life.

  • TheKurgan

    While I agree that no one deserves to be raped, I DO believe that these rape victims deserve an advocate who can actually add. 51.1 + 40.8 + 12.5 + 13.8 = 118.2 percent. You only undercut your argument by appearing shoddy.

    • Jenna Duffy

      Numbers pulled straight from CDC. http://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/sv-datasheet-a.pdf

      Black MC, Basile KC, Breiding MJ, Smith SG, Walters ML, Merrick

      MT, Chen J, Stevens MR. The National Intimate Partner and Sexual

      Violence Survey (NISVS): 2010 Summary Report. Atlanta, GA:

      National Center for Injury Prevention and Control, Centers for

      Disease Control and Prevention; 2011.

  • Nothing But The Truth

    “Im going to dress almost nude, come onto you and beg for a screwing around in the alley then claim rape because it obviously was rape”
    ~Todays female “rape” victims.

    • bytebear

      Don’t forget to get drunk and pass out at a frat party full of horny men.

      • Beth

        another idiot.

    • Beth

      idiot

    • Betty Eyer

      Haters gonna hate.

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  • chris

    So basically women should dress in super revealing clothing and go out to bars/clubs and get wasted by themselves and walk home alone late at night because, come on rapists are gonna rape anyway! Let’s not take any precautions or have any interest in self preservation.

    • Jenna Duffy

      Yep, that’s exactly what I said. You’re right on the money. They should also wear an “unprotected vagina” poster around their neck too. Precaution is precaution, telling women how to dress to “lower risk of rape” is what the Taliban does, and it doesn’t work there either.

      • http://www.dclibertarians2014.blogspot.com/ BruceMajors4DC

        How about contributing something positive like advocating letting women and gays arm themselves?

        • Betty Eyer

          In almost all of American they can arm themselves.

  • Michael Lee

    People like you are exactly why feminism is getting a bad reputation today.

  • bytebear

    This is a classic strawman argument. Tell us what BCL didn’t say, and then refute it.

  • Roman Richardson

    51.1+40.8+12.5+13.8 = 118.2%.

    ‪#‎Feministmath‬

  • Arthur Whitehead

    They never said dressing provocatively means you deserve it. Never even implied that. And they never said that how you dress absolves the rapist.

    What they did say is that it is ALWAYS the rapist’s fault. And they added that there are things you can do to help avoid the situation. Avoiding a situation doesn’t mean you are responsible for the outcome.

    People who rob you are always the criminal, and the victim cannot be blamed for carrying money that get stolen. But every one of us will avoid flashing a lot of money around in areas where crime is high.

    • Betty Eyer

      But they did say that the way you dress predicts your risk of rape and I don’t think that’s true.

      • http://www.troubleinabubble.com Kurt Robinson

        No they didn’t.

  • http://www.dclibertarians2014.blogspot.com/ BruceMajors4DC

    Jenna really had to dig to find someone who is a libertarian pushing that, and even then she couldn’t find someone who calls themselves a libertarian, but only one who prefers the older name, classical liberal. Most libertarians advocate something else to end rape and gay bashing, namely letting women and gays have guns. I bet Jenna’s masters told her not to raise that issue. What a bore.