Hillary Clinton’s Answer On Abortion Leaves ‘Pro-Life’ Senator Speechless (VIDEO)


In 2009, then Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was asked in Congress about abortion rights in other countries and whether the administration had any plans to further restrict abortions throughout the developing world.

Her answer was brave, strong and exactly what the body needed to hear. No, the administration had no plans to take action toward restricting abortion in the developing world.

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When I think of the suffering around the world – I’ve been in hospitals in Brazil where half the women were enthusiastically and joyfully greeting new babies and the other half were fighting for their lives against botched abortions.”

“I’ve been in African countries where 12 and 13 year old girls are bearing children. I have been in Asian countries where the denial of family planning confines women to lives of oppression and hardship.

Clinton’s argument isn’t just about why the developing world needs, as she says, access to abortion that is “safe, legal and rare.”

Lack of abortion rights will send women into a cycle of poverty and abuse. It will make our country so much more like a third world country and not like an international leader.

Clinton’s words come from a place of knowledge. Share them. Everyone should hear.

Here’s the video:

Featured image via YouTube screenshot.

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702 Comments

  • Maria Martinez says:

    Awesome!! Every woman should have that choice in her life. I so do happy to her advocate for women’s safety and rights.

    • Dustin Fridley says:

      Why do happy 1 in 3 women need to have an abortion though? Are they all rape and incest victims? If so we do have a moral problem in this country. Like 53% are in their 20s. When I hear these high numbers, I don’t think murder, but I thinks Shmurderish. Don’t you?

      • Pjs8200 says:

        I think it’s about time people minded their own damn business and let other people live their lives without someone else forcing their opinions on them.

      • imbok says:

        Women should have full autonomy over their reproductive health and their private lives. Mind your own business. The moral problem is the inability of people to keep their noses out of the private lives of women.

      • Pennsylvanianne says:

        And some women do not want to be pregnant for whatever reasons — their husbands or boyfriends might abuse them if they knew, for instance — and are desperate enough to try coat hangers and back-alley abortionists who are not medically trained. Is that what you want — scores of women dying from infections? Because when you outlaw abortion, that’s what will result.

        • Anita says:

          If you don’t want to get pregnant take birthcontrol, abstain.. Abortion should not be cosidered a form of birthcontrol

          • CherMoe says:

            Not your body. Not your decision. And you should keep your nose out of other people’s bedrooms. There’s plenty enough bad going on in politicians lives with their pedophiles and their mistresses and hookers.

          • Kay says:

            But they don’t want to allow for women access to birth control either.

          • Anita says:

            who dose not want to provide birth control? Their have been exemptions to businesses run by churches but that is about it. the other issue is not funding via fed. taxes abortions on demand.. no reasom for tax payers to pay for someone to abort a baby just because they don’t want to be pregnant.. other options like the day after pill, condoms etc

          • Sonia says:

            So you complain about tax payers paying for abortions, but if they have the child then you complain about having to take care of the child. Make up your mind can’t have it both ways.

          • Suzanne Barrow says:

            Who doesn’t want to provide birth control? The lawmakers that think they know better than a doctor what a woman does and does not need for full reproductive health. The ones that close every family planning clinic in their state. They take away a woman’s ability to prevent pregnancy but then blame the woman when they become pregnant. They go so far as to criminalize HAVING A MISCARRIAGE and give women hefty sentences for something they had no control over in the first place.

          • Cthulhu says:

            You’re out of your damn mind. The GOP has been trying to cut off access to BC control everywhere they raise their ugly heads. From gutting funding for PP, promoting Abstinence only education, and allowing dipshit theocrats in pharmacists coats “Religious Objections”, the right wing has been trying to kill BC for a while now. And their comments speak for themselves.

          • Kaye Dyer says:

            You really do not pay attention to the TP/Republicans elected officials do you?

          • AmyHerrmann says:

            Hobby. Lobby. Heard of it?

          • Al Johnson says:

            Understand ? ? ?

          • Kate Rees says:

            Don’t be so gullible to think tax dollars pay for “abortion on demand.”, as if that even exists. Ever heard of the Hyde Amendment? Federal funding of abortion, with a few exceptions has been prohibited since 1976. Currently the law reads:

            SEC. 506. (a) None of the funds appropriated in this Act, and none of the funds in any trust fund to which funds are appropriated in this Act, shall be expended for any abortion. (b) None of the funds appropriated in this Act, and none of the funds in any trust fund to which funds are appropriated in this Act, shall be expended for health benefits coverage that includes coverage of abortion….

            SEC. 507 (a) The limitations established in the preceding section shall not apply to an abortion— (1) if the pregnancy is the result of an act of rape or incest; or (2) in the case where a woman suffers from a physical disorder, physical injury, or physical illness, including a life endangering physical condition caused by or arising from the pregnancy itself, that would, as certified by a physician, place the woman in danger of death unless an abortion is performed. [10]

          • AmyHerrmann says:

            Exactly. If reducing abortions were the main goal, why block easy and/or free access?

          • androphiles says:

            Tell that to the thirteen-year-olds she’s talking about. Then mind your own business.

          • Vicky Walker says:

            Its so easy to preach that but the fact is that there will always be abortions so its vital that we keep it legal so as to keep it safe. You will NEVER end abortion but we can all work together to educate and inform young women in order to decrease the numbers. But making abortion illegal is not going to stop them from happening.

          • tfortempleu says:

            mind your own damn business! you don’t get to tell everyone else what to do. if you don’t agree with abortions, don’t get one. but mind your own damn business.

            the liberty loving right is a wonder. they talk about liberty and protection from interference in their lives, all while telling other folks what they should and shouldn’t do with their own bodies.

            mind your own damn business. geez…..

          • DailyAlice says:

            And yet the same people who oppose abortion try to make birth control hard to get.

          • Cthulhu says:

            Neither is abstinence, which has been proven to be a complete failure when taught as BC.
            We’re sure you were the mythical virgin bride when you married, right Anita? Came to the wedding bed pure and untouched, never engaged in any sexual actions at all, and was never tempted?
            Sure you weren’t.

          • cecilia says:

            tell that to the rapist or the person committing incest

          • Margaret Kaufman says:

            Please understand, you don’t need to get one. Please leave others to make their own decisions. Thank you

          • GreenD says:

            It’s not. Conservative myth.

          • MoMo says:

            Anita, Tell that to the nine-year-old child currently pregnant with her rapist’s fetus.

          • Jordana Sinclair says:

            Jesus was born through abstinence was he not?

          • Pennsylvanianne says:

            Because, you know, abstinence works sooooo well — in states where only abstinence is discussed in sex-ed classes, there are more teen pregnancies where other forms of birth control ARE discussed.

        • AJ Green says:

          We didn’t have abortion for… What? A few thousand years? I don’t remember reading about a bunch of women getting back-alley abortions and dying of infections in history class. Do you?

          • chezmoi says:

            There is nothing modern about abortion; it has always existed. Even in prehistory, wise women in tribes knew the secrets of which plants to use to help out a woman in trouble. Not surprising that they have been persecuted as witches; they helped women to keep the power over their own bodies.

          • catseye says:

            Because it was swept under the rug. EVERY high-school-age girl in the pre-Roe era knew ALL about it. because we ALL knew somebody it had happened to.

        • mjhoop says:

          Return to the past……..bad news…..

      • Kenji says:

        Are you a child?

        • Glenna Jones-Kachtik says:

          Does not matter. Pregnancy & abortion is between the woman carrying the baby, the doctor & anyone a woman asks to help make the decision. No one else should get to decide.

          • Jeff says:

            What about the baby? It is the responsibility of the strong, to defend the helpless.

          • Glenna Jones-Kachtik says:

            What about the baby? The baby is alive, true – but is it a sentient being? Can it breathe on its own, take in food by itself or is it dependent while inside the mom? I happen to believe that until that baby leaves the birth canal & takes it’s first breath of air; that it is only a potential human being. I have known too many women who have lost that child before birth. If we say that a baby is a human being from conception, then women who miscarry, or have an ectopic pregnancy, or for whom the baby dies in utero for whatever reason (one of my friends was a heavy woman – she was retaining fluid badly & her blood pressure was extremely high so they took her into the hospital – while she was there the baby died because the umbilical cord was wrapped around it’s neck) – any woman in this position could be held liable for murdering her child. You scoff. But right now there are women who are being sentenced to prison because their baby was stillborn.
            I notice a lot of times it is males who question about the baby. You would never, ever be in danger of being labeled a murderer because you failed to successfully carry a child to term. If you commit the “sin of Onan” no one claims you are murdering potential children.
            Sorry, about that baby. Unless YOU are the father, a family member, a doctor or someone the woman has asked & the birth has no direct effect on your life – it isn’t your choice whether the baby is born or not. There are at the present time millions of children already here & languishing in foster care. There are millions of children already born who go to bed hungry every night & are homeless & who don’t know where their next meal is coming from. Some of them are like a child called “Bear” who was only 9 when his folks split up & neither wanted him so he was on the streets by himself. Those unborn babies? They may or may not be born & some may be aborted & some may be stillborn or miscarried – we don’t know. What we DO know are these kids that are already here! I would be much more impressed if you worried about them like you did the unborn ones.

          • Kaye Dyer says:

            Not a bad post. But, must disagree on the issue of the fetus being alive. The fetus does not become a baby until the first breath. God chose to have the lungs formed sometime in the 8th month. A fetus before modern medicine did not live if born before the lungs were formed so, no, the fetus is not alive. It is not a living soul until the first breath. But, your points of jail, etc. is very true.

          • Glenna Jones-Kachtik says:

            I said the same thing to someone else. I don’t think it is a baby until it breathes it’s first breath outside it’s mom.
            I think where the anti-choice people go wrong is the definition of the word “alive:.. The cells in our body are alive; but they aren’t babies. Tumor cells also are alive. Mushrooms are alive but neither are babies nor necessarily human.
            I think Functioning is a much better term – must be able to function alone without an umbilical cord.
            Did you know that there is a senator or 2 right here in TX fighting for a law to keep pregnant brain dead mothers on life support until the fetus either dies or becomes deliverable – no matter what # of weeks pregnant she is????? I think this is insane but again they are worried about the poor unborn baby & it’s “rights” to life….. in the case documented, the mother was at 14 weeks, had been without oxygen for at least 45 minutes before they decided she was brain dead & put her on life support. The family wanted to take her off but the hospital refused to do so. They finally had to sue the hospital in order to get the mother disconnected (according to her wishes beforehand also).
            GJK

          • mapleleaflover says:

            These fundies keep forgetting that their bible says a fetus is alive when it takes its first breath (obviously outside the womb) and a person dies when it takes its last breath.

          • AJ Green says:

            The fact that you call people “its” says a lot about you

          • Kay says:

            There are plenty of helpless unwanted kids to help who are being ignored.

          • Sonia says:

            If you plan to take the baby and raise it.

          • Jeff says:

            Deal.. No abortion, I (or others like me) will take the baby.

          • Sonia says:

            If that were truly the case we wouldn’t have so many children in the forster care system. People always say that but never do anything.

          • Jeff says:

            You do realize that hardly any babies are in the foster care system. It is next to impossible to adopt babies in the United States. Many parents wanting babies adopt them from other countries.

          • Sonia says:

            We have a number of babies and toddlers available. It is a lengthy process and the majority are minorities and children with health issues/disabilities, but they weren’t aborted. They have thousands and thousands of older kids, so let’s worry more about the children that are already here.

          • Jeff says:

            I’ve already adopted 2 and they weren’t infants. One was 5, the other 3 but with a disability. My sister adopted 3. (only one of hers was an infant, the other two were adopted later, one a toddler at 2 1/2 the other was 6). I did try to adopt a third as an infant but that never materialized. I fostered another that was going to be adopted, however at the last moment the bio mom came back into her life and the courts sided with her. It broke my wife’s heart.

          • Sonia says:

            That is so wonderful. That is exactly what I was speaking on. People should focus more on the children that are already here because that is where we can make the most difference. Everyone isn’t like you in fact most complain about abortions and then they turn around complain about supporting these children with tax payer money.

          • Jeff says:

            Sonia… The problem is how do you know? Until I told you my family story you assumed because I’m against abortion then I therefore have certain other views. I still stand by my original position. It is the responsibility of the strong to defend the weak (and helpless). So, to go back to your original comment. You said to my statement of it is the responsibility of the strong to defend the weak. “If you plan to take the baby and raise it”. I’ve already done this. So does that mean you have changed your opinion about abortion? Or do you just say things based on your assumption of other people? I fully admit I may be wrong and that there may be no God. However, I believe truly in my heart there is. I believe that God does not agree in abortion and it is not enough to just not do it yourself. You have to take a stand against what may be popular to do what is right.

          • Sonia says:

            I respect your opinion but it does not change the way I feel. You and people like you obviously cannot raise all the children being aborted so I stand by my statement and I still feel we should focus on all the children that are already here.

          • Jeff says:

            How do you know most people aren’t like me? You assumed I wasn’t like me earlier. I try not to assume, (I fail at that sometimes). One last point, and I get a lot of people laugh at me on this one. But keep in mind, deep down I’m a math guycomputer guy. I like to put things in terms of math and computers. So if you are familiar with computers one function they do extremely well is Loops. So in my loop It starts at baby = full term baby at birth + 1 calendar day. I ask a question, Is it OK to Kill this baby? My answer = “NO”, then I loop and ask the question 1 second earlier, (so now baby is birth + 23 hrs, 59 min, 59 sec. I ask the same question, I give the same answer. “NO” I keep repeating. over and over and keep taking away 1 second. Let’s jump to birth + 3 seconds and assume for a second this is when baby takes first breath. I ask the same question, I give the same answer. Now go back another second, I ask the same question and I get the same answer. Now let’s go back another hour and the mother is in full blown labor 8 cm dialated. I ask the same question, I give the same answer. I keep going back and back in time. My problem, I can’t come up with a reason why this one second it’s not OK to kill the baby and the second before it is. Again, I’m a mathcomputer guy and this is how i think. I just don’t see where that line is crossed where it’s OK to do it.

          • birth control is NOT murder says:

            “It broke my wife’s heart”, but not yours?

          • Jeff says:

            I was hurt… But my wife was crying uncontrollably for days. Maybe it’s just how men try to be strong, even if they are crying on the inside.

          • birth control is NOT murder says:

            There is no shame in crying on the outside.

          • Jeff says:

            I never said there was shame. It’s just something that I don’t do. Maybe it’s genetic, maybe it’s a male thing, maybe it’s what I learned from my dad. I just don’t do it.

          • birth control is NOT murder says:

            Just don’t make the mistake of telling your kids that holding it in makes you stronger cause it doesn’t. It just festers until it blows up into wars and destruction. If it’s something petty let them cry it out.

          • Jeff says:

            I thought I already replied to this but apparently did not. How can making a statement about my wife and her being broken hearted mean I am not? I fail to understand how you can take delight in twisting some one elses words and meaning. Yes.. I was broken hearted. But it hurts me more that my wife was broken hearted about it.

          • birth control is NOT murder says:

            Don’t confuse the foster care system with adoption programs. they are separate entities altogether. foster parents are payed for taking children while adoptive parents are not hence the higher rate of abuse in foster system.

          • Jeff says:

            Often, though not always, foster care can lead to adoption. It almost did for my wife and I until the bio mom came back and wanted the child However, my main point iswas that their are very few people who can adopt infants since their aren’t many available compared to the demand. Read my other post to reply to Sonia regarding me already adopting (and my sister too).

          • Jeff says:

            Many foster families end up adopting. My sister did for one of hers, and I did for my oldest. I’m sure it may vary from state to state though.

          • DailyAlice says:

            Calling it a “baby” during, say, the first month of gestation is abusing the term. It is still a potential baby, and perhaps a potential unwanted child.

          • Cthulhu says:

            And yet, you’d deny the mother child care, food assistance, welfare, a good job, education. You people are ALL about the fetus, but don’t give a damn about he kid once it’s born.

          • GreenD says:

            They don’t even care about the fetus BEFORE it’s born. How about the ongoing cuts to food assistance? Presumably those cuts affect pregnant women whose babies are in need of proper nutrition.

          • Jeff says:

            So if you oppose abortion, then you automatically (per you) oppose welfare and education and good jobs etc? They are not mutually exclusive.

          • piper says:

            and the Lord Jesus Christ….and you know what HE thinks about it.

          • Vicky Walker says:

            Leave Jesus in church and live in reality with the rest of us.

          • DailyAlice says:

            There is no reason for either of you to get religion, nor was it suggested. But religionists are the strongest force against safe, legal abortion, and this interpretation was directed toward them.

          • Myra says:

            Wow another ISIS member here who wants to tell me where I can leave my religion. You gonna behead me too nutcase?

          • Glenna Jones-Kachtik says:

            Actually, the Lord, Jesus Christ – said absolutely NOTHING about abortion. If a woman was caused to miscarry the person causing it had to pay the husband a price – just like they would have to pay if they caused a cow or sheep or other livestock to fail to bear young. In one passage they talk about causing a woman to miscarry if she was unfaithful.
            Verses like you were wonderfully made or I knew you in the womb are interpretations….You can interpret one thing & I another.
            Babies in utero are potential humans they are not human until they are born. Then it is deemed murder.
            If the Lord Jesus Christ is the father of the child or if that birth directly affects him (as far as feeding, clothing, educating etc) then he can say something about the birth – otherwise it is just YOUR interpretation. If you aren’t for abortion, fine – don’t have one; BUT don’t be making choices for anyone else.

          • tfortempleu says:

            where might I find him to ask him? oh….I get it now….you’re listening to people who are telling you what was written in a book in languages that you cannot possibly understand, about a fellow some claimed to be the son of god. I get it now.

          • GreenD says:

            Written by people who didn’t know where the sun went at night. Perfect.

          • Cthulhu says:

            Who? No one alive has ever met such a person. In fact, evidence suggests he’s a myth.

          • DailyAlice says:

            C’mon. He did exist.

          • GreenD says:

            and the lord jesus Christ, a fictional character? I don’t care what your jesus says about it.

          • DailyAlice says:

            He is not fictional.

          • Chuck says:

            Please feel free to offer evidence in support of your assertion.

          • DailyAlice says:

            You made the assertion; I responded. Offer evidence. See whether you can scare up support from some reputable historians.

          • Chuck says:

            What are you talking about? Perhaps you have me confused with someone else. I have posted only one thing, my request to you to offer some evidence in support of your theory that Jesus Christ is not fictional.

          • Gappy says:

            “What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof.” Christopher Hitchens

      • Vicky Walker says:

        Where do you get that crazy figure of 1 in 3 women?? That’s utter myth! I would like to say that abortion should be rare but there will always be abortion whether it is legal or not and its best to keep it safe, clean and regulated. Out in the open instead of in “the dark” where women bleed to death due to botched abortions. We cannot stop abortion but we can keep it safe!!!

        • DailyAlice says:

          I think accurate stats are probably impossible to get. Those with money have the power to keep their abortions very, very private. Those without go black market and often die.

      • Cthulhu says:

        What business is it of yours HOW they got pregnant?

      • splashy79 says:

        Because they can’t get free birth control that is reliable and easy to use. Give them implants or IUDs for free, and watch those rates go down.

        See, that’s the problem. Lack of education, lack of access to birth control that doesn’t have to be thought of EVERY DAY, and you end up with more abortions. It’s quite simple.

      • paulaHIK says:

        What makes you think they’re happy? Also, do you know their circumstances? There was a point in my life when my daughter and I lived in a car. I came home from work one day to find my 2 year old walking around a coffee table with melted meth in spoons on it an my husband in the kitchen with his friends. I had a choice between staying in that situation or living in a car. I took the car because it was actually safer for my daughter. If I had been pregnant with another child at the time, I would have had an abortion. I would not have wanted to, but what kind of a situation is that to bring a child into?

        You don’t know people’s situations.And you’d better watch being judgmental. That’s supposed to be your god’s job. Besides, I’ve found if I get judgmental, I find myself in a similar situation.

      • apauledinNJ says:

        Maybe because poor women did not have health insurance and could not afford birth control. Maybe because many poor women are victims of abuse and incest. Maybe because many family planning clinics have been closed due to lack of funding. But hey I get it. I guess if you are poor and uneducated you should just keep you legs closed.

      • birth control is NOT murder says:

        when i hear these numbers I KNOW lack of education and access to birth control. how bout we vote for education ‘stead of creationist hypocrisy

    • piper says:

      what about the human life the woman is carrying? “For you formed my inward parts; you knitted me together in my mother’s womb. I praise you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made. Wonderful are your works; my soul knows it very well”
      Psalm 139: 13-14. Dont fool yourselves….God will not be mocked.

      • androphiles says:

        So you’re putting the life of a baby over the life of the thirteen-year-old carrying it through no fault of her own? How very Christian of you.

        • christine says:

          You have said it yourself … ” the LIFE of a baby”

          • androphiles says:

            Answer the question. Choose between the two, and tell us why you made the decision. Is 13 years all the girl deserves? Do humans’ lives lose their value when they stop being babies? Take responsibility for your opinion. Or don’t, if you just can’t.

          • Kenji says:

            War, death penalty, police brutality, infant mortality. The pro-lifers have chosen to focus on one thing they know they can never control.

          • catseye says:

            They’re NOT “pro-life” (GAG!) they’re pro-FORCED BIRTH.

          • AJ Green says:

            So you’re saying the BABY doesnt deserve any life at all?

          • Rachel Tyrel says:

            What Kenji is saying is that there are many other things all the good, loving Fundamentalist Christians could be doing with their energy to improve their communities, other than screaming at pregnant teenagers, holding pictures of dismembered foetuses, and spitting on the people who are trying to escort these frightened young girls into and out of the doctor’s office.

          • phylly3 says:

            Perfectly stated. For starters, they could adopt without being picky about what type of child they would commit their lives to loving and parenting. Though not Fundamentalists, we raised one child, and one adopted child. Both now grown and making their way in the world with the knowlege that they are always loved unconditionally and cheered on by their parents. Anyone holding up these awful signs should have an adopted child or two by the other hand and use their tithes ro truly make a difference in a struggling human beings life, or get out of the way. Your preachers are doing ok or they would leave you like a bad habit.

          • catseye says:

            If those gruesome things aren’t photoshopped, these people are taking full-term stillborns and hacking them up. How is that NOT corpse desecration?

          • Sherri G says:

            A fetus, which is in the womb, should have no rights above the mother’s rights until it takes its first breath as a BABY and can survive without the womb.

          • androphiles says:

            No, I’m not. Now stop your evasions and answer my question or admit that you can’t.

          • AJ Green says:

            Ok since you apparently need me to spell it out for you. Honestly, I believe if there is NO POSSIBLE CHANCE of the woman surviving the birth, then by all means save the woman. What point is there in killing one person to birth another? But if it seems likely the mother will survive, i believe THEN, that the child should be spared.

          • androphiles says:

            The fact that you’re speaking of the thirteen-year old as “the woman” says all I need to know about you. Just as I thought, you’re not even thinking about what you’re saying. Thanks for all the time you dedicated to your cause, but I’m through talking to you. Have a nice life.

          • AJ Green says:

            What would you say I call her? Hm? You’re calling her ” the thirteen year old” So you’re either saying this thirteen year old is a man or that being a woman is embarrassing or less than a man. And THAT says all I need to know about YOU.

          • paulaHIK says:

            Are you a pedophile or something? A 13 year old is still a child. She might be old enough to bleed, but it is still considered dangerous for a GIRL that age to bear a child.

          • AJ Green says:

            Yes I know that. And no i am not a pedo. I AM 17, however. And as I said in my EARLIER comments, if it is too dangerous for the girl to give birth then it is fine with me to abort the poor kid. But if not child could be given to a family that could to care of him/her.

          • paulaHIK says:

            What’s being 17 got to do with it? You can be a pedophile at 17. If you’re going for the 13 year olds, you’re still a sick puppy at 17.

            Do your research before you make that statement about giving the child to a family that could take care of the baby. Do you know how many orphans there are that no one wants? Not to mention that, most of the time, those babies that those babies are forced to give birth to are not given to families that can take care of them. Many women don’t give them up for whatever reason, be it family disapproval or religious reasons, etc. Then you have a child that a woman was forced to have and often feels forced to keep. You think that child is going to grow up in a happy home?

          • MeeU MeeU says:

            so your a ignorat 17 year old male that doenst even know themself yet. good luck with all that.

          • ENorth says:

            Ohhh 17. Then by all means. Let’s take into consideration your vast knowledge of the human experience and agree with you. You know nothing.

          • kimothyanne says:

            Let’s point out that the reason why so many GIRLS can have babies at such a young age is due to the hormones which big Agri-business insist on injecting into our meat, milk, and the estrogen’s created by the plastics which encase so many of our foods. These girls’ bodies are being artificially “matured” by those using the cheapest methods to increase their profits at the expense of our children. Thinking that a 13 year old male or female is old enough to raise a baby is ridiculous.
            Plus, I notice that the responsible “fathering” party hasn’t even entered this discussion.

          • androphiles says:

            Last post. You’re ridiculous. If I said either of those things, cut and paste it in your next post for proof. No. I’m saying it’s ridiculous to weigh the worth of a fetus and a 13-year-old GIRL. 13 years old is not a “woman” in any country of which I’m aware. You have an ax to grind, and you’ll say anything that occurs to you to win your point. Nice try. You lose. Good bye.

          • paulaHIK says:

            Are you willing to adopt it? Are you willing to make sure that child has food, healthcare, a safe home? If not, then you need to step back and shut up because, by removing any safety nets, for every child that dies of disease or malnourishment because their parent(s) can’t afford it, you are the murderer.

          • MeeU MeeU says:

            right you know all these judemental pro lifers would NEVER adopt a child they didnt give life to….lol .. nor would they pay extra taxes to support the care of a child though adoption services, or helath or food stamps –

          • paulaHIK says:

            I will say some of them probably do, but they are few and far between.

          • zuzu_petals says:

            There is no “right to be born” unless it includes the “right” to be born LOVED, WANTED, and PROVIDED FOR.
            Otherwise, I believe we should leave the “rights” to those who are already born and living to decide whether and when to give birth to someone else.
            Until you are going to be there to make sure that “baby” you are concerned with is born into a world with enough food, enough water, enough housing and access to education, you are not advocating HUMAN life, but only meaningless reproduction of beings who have “human” DNA.
            There are those for whom I believe abortion shoud be MANDATORY, though I don’t believe I have the right to impose that on those that might disagree.
            Would that you could grant me the same courtesy.

          • MeeU MeeU says:

            HOw many babies do you want to adopt? how many have you adopted? you want to take peoples freedom of choice away , maybe you should be adopting all those kids then

          • Fool_me_twice_shame_on_ME says:

            “So you’re saying the BABY doesnt [sic] deserve any life at all?”

            A BABY most certainly does, but that’s because it has already been born and is now living on its own. You and your ilk have perverted the English language to fit your arrogant narrative by substituting fetus with baby, but that is just dishonest and misleading. If we use the actual definitions of words, your argument disintegrates because it is based on lies, false information, and no credibility.

          • Pennsylvanianne says:

            It is not a baby until it is born.

          • paulaHIK says:

            How about the LIFE of the 13 year old?

            Are you against one-payer health, food stamps, Head Start, Medicaid, and other social services? If so, you obviously only care about that baby until it is born. You couldn’t give 2 sh*ts about what happens to it after it’s born. YOU are the real murderer by letting that baby you so passionately wanted to be born die of disease and hunger because you don’t want to help it to live once it’s a full-blown individual human being.

        • Franz van Deschen says:

          Avoid using the incorrect term ‘baby’. Abortion does not kill a baby, but a featus/embryo, which is essential to the ethics of abortion.

          • AnaRoW says:

            It’s a “fetus” from the first trimester until birth but most people wouldn’t consider aborting a fetus after a certain stage. I’m really sick of the “It’s just a fetus” argument. It doesn’t hold.

          • Franz van Deschen says:

            I agree, AnaRoW. I never meant to imply equal ethics for fetuses of different ages. On the contrary! Frankly, I feel a similar sickness when people suggest that a fertilized egg suddenly has full right to life like a new born baby. Moments are not magic, even though they are relevant.
            The development of the fetus matters a great deal to the ethics of abortion. However, there are fundamental changes at birth that do matter! The baby gains a physical independence from the mother and starts forming relationships with other people in whole new ways. It’s bombarded with new sensory input that speeds up development. These add greatly to the already numerous ethical objections to late termination of pregnancy.

            I think it would be ridiculous to not consider birth a major ethical milestone. So for ethical and other reasons, I think one should use the words fetus and baby correctly, rather than deliberately conflate them to highlight similarities between babies and late-pregnancy fetuses.

          • Franz van Deschen says:

            I never said “it’s just a fetus”. Yes, the stage of development of the fetus is critical to ethics of abortion, but that doesn’t change the fact that something ethically important happens at birth. The baby becomes physically independent of the mother and starts interacting with the environment and people in whole new ways. Calling this ethically irrelevant would be ridiculous.

        • MeeU MeeU says:

          Right. and those Christians , how many of them adopt the kids instead of keep having there own to support what they preach? You want all these women to have kids, i bet he ‘s never adopted a child.

      • tyz228 says:

        “inward parts” are formed by the actions of genes obeying physical laws. a pregnant teenager is fully formed, fully functioning human being with rights. A developing embryo isn’t, until rather late in the pregnancy. It’s amazing to me how people will invoke words written when we were utterly ignorant as if they were the epitome of wisdom.

        • GreenD says:

          Ignorance and the bible. A perfect pairing.

        • Nick25 says:

          You’d still want to kill the baby “later in pregnancy.” You’re not fooling anyone.

          • tyz228 says:

            No, nick-o, I wouldn’t. In the later stages of pregnancy, especially once there is cerebral cortex development, it’d call it a baby. And then the only abortions I would think acceptable are to protect the life or health of the mother. But thanks for playing. And, by the way, even if you were right about what I think, what difference would it make?

          • Nick25 says:

            You’re insane. Pro-baby killers want the right to murder the infant seconds before birth AND there is even talk of “post birth” abortions.

            Y’all are EVIL.

          • tyz228 says:

            Lol. You’re funny. I was almost taking yout seriously.

          • Nick25 says:

            I’ll bet you think a sack of kittens thrown in a river is a real knee slapper, huh? Or, for funny- how about just lighting the mother cat on fire???? But the ULTIMATE in hilarity it partially birthing an infant, and while his or her head is still in the loving mother pierce it’s spinal cord and vacuum out it’s brain!!!!! I wonder if Jerry Seinfield has any of this material???? I know the wretch Sarah Silverman does.

            You barbarians must be a blast a parties.

          • tyz228 says:

            You seem to indulge in some rather sick fantasies. Partial birth abortions are the rarest procedure. Most abortions are done in the first 2 trimesters. As far as drowning kittens or burning cats, i’d feel the same about those acts as I do about a man who would stab his own son to death and then offer him as a burnt sacrifice because his god commanded him to. ….while we’re on the subject, what is your view of Abraham? With your views on abortion, I’m sure you think Abraham is a vile, sadistic, and evil man as well. On which I would agree with you.

          • Nick25 says:

            Abraham was a man of God– God tested him to show him how deep his faith was and through Abraham’s line came the salvation of man- including your own salvation that you appear to reject- that’s on you. Mock if you must with your ignorant view of theology. Pay homage to the demons of abortion, murder, debauchery, “gay marriage.” Deep down you know the truth as you attempt to (mis)quote/invalidate the Bible– deep down, you know killing the unborn is wrong, you choose your own fate.

            You’ll have an eternity to regret what you do today.

            Now go ahead, scoff and ridicule. It’s expected- it changes nothing in my future.

            And by the way, many MANY babies born prematurely in the 2nd trimester survive- unless, of course they are not born and they are “terminated” in their “mother’s” body. It is her own uterus, of course.

            Y’all are sick.

          • zuzu_petals says:

            So…you believe in a TRICKSTER god that TESTS our FAITH by telling us to KILL our children and expecting us to OBEY…but then
            says “just kidding” at the last possible moment? Same god who puts dinosaur fossils in the ground to test our faith? Geeze, no wonder you people are still killing each other over which tribe followed Abraham (that gullible wretch) correctly! I may be sick and twisty, but y’all are certifiably insane!

          • Nick25 says:

            The God you mock is the God that created you— your childish ridicule has absolutely no bearing on my future or my eternity. It does for you. Keep up your brash and smug attitude. There have been billions before you who have done the same and are in torment at this very moment.

          • catseye says:

            You’re expecting something that couldn’t even create its own scriptures could “create” me? Hah; don’t think so.

          • Nick25 says:

            You’ll remember this post in your tortuous eternity. Keep mocking

          • catseye says:

            We’re mocking YOU. If you think you’re God, you really need to be locked up before you hurt somebody.

          • MeeU MeeU says:

            PEOPLE YOU MOCK ARE THE PEOPLE THAT WERE CREATED BY GOD.. THERE FOR YOU ARE MOCKING GOD

          • paulaHIK says:

            And you’re going to be burning right along with them.

          • MeeU MeeU says:

            The PEOPLE YOU MOCK ARE THE PEOPLE THAT WERE CREATED BY GOD.. THERE FOR YOU ARE MOCKING GOD

          • zuzu_petals says:

            See, that’s another thing I do not comprehend about SOME of those who claim to believe…how delighted folks like you are to believe that a loving diety would torture eternally those who do not share in someone elses delusion.
            Just remember, we are ALL atheists.
            I am just an atheist who disbelieves in ONE more god than you disbelieve in. We agree about Zeus and Zarathustra and Ra….et al. I just include YWH in with the Flying Spaghetti Monster, the Great Teacup in Space, The Invisible Pink Unicorn and all the other delusions our flesh is heir to.
            See, I do not mock gods, per se, only some of their more dogmatic adherents.
            Your silly little belief systems do not change the nature of reality, or science, or sanity.
            Best of luck to you, though.

          • Nick25 says:

            You comment both betrays and confirms your total detachment from reality (a common liberal/atheist trait). In none of my posts did I even come close to demonstrating any delight at anyone’s eternal torture, that is a projection from you.

            We are all created with free will to choose what we want. You have chosen to reject God, and you have chosen to reject the only way to salvation through his Son’s death on the cross and his resurrection – that’s YOUR choice, NOT God’s choice to have you spend eternity in torment. And NO I do not delight in that knowing that is not what God wants for you or anyone.

            Our time here is short, ZuZu. It would behoove you to explore faith because if you’re wrong (and you are) the consequences are forever and they are nasty.

            Your silly disbelieve systems somehow gives you a false sense of greatness, like somehow you don’t need God. That is exactly where the prince of lies what’s you. You are a lost soul and in time I will be proven right and you will be in anguish- sad really.

          • zuzu_petals says:

            The question still applies as to why any diety claiming to love it’s creation would find the need to punish disbeleif. We love our children, but if they do not love us back, we are not entitled, much less obligated or expected to punish them eternally…even if we had the means to do so. We aren’t entitled to make them suffer even briefly for not loving us. Why would this be acceptable in a diety? And, even if there were such a god, who did such heinous things to the disobedient, why would you call that LOVE?
            My lack of belief is not arrogance, quite the opposite.
            You believe that humans were specifically created by god to oversee all of creation. I believe we are just the latest twig on the tree of Darwinian life, hanging by our toes onto a rock whirling though space on an outer spiral arm of an insignificant, (except to those of us so clinging) galaxy in a universe of inconcievble complexity and wonder.
            It is possible that there is some sort of intelligence that began the process that unwound itself to become all we know…but I KNOW, without reservation, that intelligence is not the mean and jealous god written about in the book you call The Bible.

          • paulaHIK says:

            Hahahaha! You think it’s good that God asked Abraham to sacrifice his son in order to test him and that Abraham was ready to do that and you call us sick??? Pot, meet kettle.

          • Nick25 says:

            You can address that with Him on judgement day- hint, it won’t fare well for you.

          • MeeU MeeU says:

            so you speak as if your god..nice you have no idea where people who think they are above GOD goes do you? lol..

            let me give you a hint, you wont need a personal floor heater

          • Nick25 says:

            I address God as Him and you think I mean me???? Liberalism really does destroy the brain. You folks are truly warped.

          • MeeU MeeU says:

            what is sick is that you would rather JUDGE what another person would do, and take there freedom away – then not support any services though taxes to take care of all the kids you didnt want to be aborted…and then preach how you know what god would think lol…

            in fact, GOD ordered Abraham to KILL HIS OWN SON and he was going to do it and the kid was ok with it because they were told by GOD to do it.. soooo…..in that story GOD told ABraham to MURDER his own son. that is more horrrifc then abortion.

          • Nick25 says:

            Pointing to wrong behavior is NOT judging. What I support is personal responsibility— ever hear of it>

          • apauledinNJ says:

            That same Bible you quote also says “though shalt not eat of animals with cloven hooves”. Do you eat Pork or do you just select which parts of the Bible you wish to observe?

          • Nick25 says:

            You don’t know your Bible. There are 3 sets of laws– ceremonial, civil and moral. The ceremonial and civil laws pertained to the Jews prior to Christ, they no longer apply after Jesus’ birth, death and resurrection. Only the moral laws remain. Nice try though a weak attempt at undermining my message.

          • tyz228 says:

            I betcha I know more theology than you, but that’s actually beside the point. My point wasn’t about God, it was about Abraham. I’m just an ordinary schmoe, no man of anyone’s god, but if a voice commanded me to kill anyone, my child, someone else’s, whatever, my answer would not be “Ok, if you say so, it must be good”. My answer, I would hope, would be….”no, that’s wrong. period. full stop”. Doesn’t matter who was asking, or what I might be promised in the way of rewards or punishments. It’s Abraham who morally failed, whatever your view of theology is.

          • Nick25 says:

            So, if the God that created EVERYTHING and YOU told you specifically to do a task, you think in your arrogant mind you know better than the God of all to say no to him?

            You think on a very small level, very small. God’s purpose for telling Abraham to sacrifice his son was to show all of humanity that a man who had that much faith was the line that the Savior of man kind would come from. It wasn’t like God was surprised Abraham was obedient, God used that to show all of eternity how great Abraham was to completely surrender to him.

            You do NOT know more theology than my 8 year old son, with all due respect.

            If you were a computer coder and wrote code that did not do what you wanted it to do because the code thought it would be better to do something else, what would you do?

            You’re both arrogant and ignorant.

          • tyz228 says:

            ps….and actually, earlier, you said the God tested Abraham. Now you say He didn’t test Abraham, because he already knew Abraham would obey….which is it? Keep your myths straight, or it gets very confusing. I forgot to comment on your “computer code” analogy, which is about the stupidest I’ve ever heard. If I wrote computer code which didn’t accomplish its purpose, I’d delete it and start over. But computer code isn’t a living thing, a thing with rights. In your mind, I guess, if a painter didn’t like his work, he’d be justified in killing his model for messing it up. Were you dropped on your head a few times as a child?

          • Nick25 says:

            That explains it- reading comprehension isn’t your strong suit- is it.

          • tyz228 says:

            quoting you from an earlier comment: “Abraham was a man of God– God tested him to show him how deep his faith was”. So God was testing Abraham in order for God to find out how deep Abraham’s faith was….except, God already knew what Abraham would do….so confusing. But this is irrelevant to your being a moral relativist and situation ethicist. Murder, rape, everything we ordinarily consider immoral is, according to you, just dandy as long as you think your God commanded it. How does it feel to be morally bankrupt?

          • catseye says:

            That would be mouth-breathing, scumbag redneck morons like YOU.I grew up around scumbags like that, and they were ALWAYS doing something horrible to animals.

          • Nick25 says:

            Ahhhhh- a disciple of Bill Maher- you really are pathetic.

          • catseye says:

            Says the mouth-breathing redneck kitten-killer. If you projected any harder you’d need a kid in the lobby selling popcorn.

          • cecilia says:

            people who start wars are the post-birth killers

          • Nick25 says:

            I wonder what you feel about the alliance that defeated Adolf in WWll?

          • cecilia says:

            WWll was caused by several complex issues but the main one was WWl – or , as it was called by those who were killed in it, The Great War.

            All wars are stupid. Those who fought in WWll were basically trying to end the utter stupidity of WWl.

            And they ended it a bit differently than the revenge of WWl

            They made Germany and Japan allies, instead of hated.

            My grandfather was in WWl – he saw how wasteful and stupid it was. He was anti-war and that’s how I grew up.

            find a better way to solve problems than fighting and killing.

          • molly_malone2 says:

            Nick25, now you’re just being idiotic.

            Uh-oh. Is this snark, and I missed it?

          • zuzu_petals says:

            Point me to a link of these “post birth abortion advocates”.
            I could, however, provide links to those who wish to outlaw not just abortion but ALL forms of birth control…and lest you say “except abstainance”, might i remind you how the bible feels about women who say “no” to their husbands. (Submit or die, wench!)

          • Powkat says:

            ‘Post birth’ abortion is an oxymoron.

          • catseye says:

            So YOU want to MURDER _WOMEN_ by forcing them to carry life-threatening pregnancies. WHO’S “evil”” here?

          • Nick25 says:

            You lefties are deranged.

          • paulaHIK says:

            Seriously? That’s all you’ve got? Methinks I hit the mark quite nicely. In my experience, when a “good crayshchun” cannot refute a point because it’s right, they say things like, “You’re wrong,” or, “You’re deranged.” That’s when I know I’ve ripped their little pink, fuzzy world to shreds.

          • Mr R V Fernandez Sr says:

            Dang, what newspaper/posts are you reading or…. reading into?

      • Jeff Hall says:

        Keep your religion to yourself.

        You fundamentalist Christians are no different than the Taliban or ISIS.

        • AJ Green says:

          Not only are you publicly slandering millions of people, but you are insulting the very founders of this country. If you say that Christians are terrorists, you say that this COUNTRY was founded by terrorists. Also before you decide to call that many people in America terrorists, realize that, unlike YOU Christians live a life of love not only toward friends and family, but also towards their enemies. Show me a terrorist that truly loves CHRISTIANS and I might reconsider. Also 3 generations of my family served in the armed forces to protect your miserable existence. So before you make comments about MY family you better show me proof that you’ve done something to protect this country from the very people you’re comparing us to. Because unlike you, we don’t have to undermine the character of people that don’t think like us just to win an argument.

          • sadashell says:

            There are lots of good Christians and lots of good Muslims and the inverse is also true.

            The people I believe Jeff refers to are neither. Christian maybe, but cruel judgmental people who hold a book over other people’s freedom and basic human rights. You can’t hide willful oppression and ignorance behind a universal cloak of Christianity.
            My family served in the military also and my father marched across Europe. Like your relatives that mission was meant to protect our freedoms, not limit them to only those citizens you believe own the country.

          • AJ Green says:

            My point for that comment was just this: DO NOT pile Christians as a whole, in the same boat as something as evil as terrorists. Many a Christian has fought for this country and I have yet to see any comments on this entire page speak to the fact that although we don’t share the same beliefs as a pro-choice person, that does not somehow make us evil or a “terrorist”. It is extremely rare for a TRUE Christian to do anything that involves the death of another human being no matter who the person is. (Many people SAY they are Christians but actions display Christianity not words) I am a Christian and if Hitler HIMSELF had sat before me in chains, I don’t know that I could kill him because he wasn’t saved(as we call it) unless he presented some threat to my well-being and I’m FAR FAR AWAY from from being a
            “good” Christian. There are a lot of things I’ve done that I wish I could fix somehow or go back and take back and I’m only 17. But regardless of what others may say, I know where I’m going when I pass.

          • catseye says:

            Forced birthers ARE terrorists by any definition.

          • AJ Green says:

            You DO know the definition of “terrorist”, do you not? Or are you just launching petty insults?

          • catseye says:

            Firebombing medical facilities and gunning doctors down in cold blood are terrorist actions by any REASONABLE standard.

          • AJ Green says:

            TRUE Christians don’t commit any acts of violence that aren’t self defense unless they are in the military fighting for our freedom. Christians don’t associate with cults and whatever they may do. Anyone may say they are a Christian but many who profess to be Christians are not.

          • catseye says:

            And there you have it. With the exception of those performed to end the unimaginable suffering of a fetus too deformed to survive, EVERY SINGLE ABORTION EVER DONE is an act of SELF-DEFENSE against an unwanted INVASION of a woman’s body. AND _NOTHING_ CAN DENY HER THAT RIGHT without denying HER personhood.

          • MeeU MeeU says:

            True Christians dont JUDGE OTHERS EITHER – You are self righteous and Judgemental AJ

          • Fool_me_twice_shame_on_ME says:

            “TRUE Christians don’t commit any acts of violence that aren’t self defense unless they are in the military fighting for our freedom.”

            I hate to break it to you, but the military hasn’t “fought to protect our freedom” for quite a long time. They are primarily used to protect corporate interests more than anything these days. Our “freedoms” have been quietly going away for so many years, yet where was the military, beyond helping corporate greed in their drive to remove/deny our freedoms (e.g. OWS, protesting militarized police brutality, picketing the White House and Congress, etc.)?

          • Fool_me_twice_shame_on_ME says:

            CLEARLY you don’t know the definition of “terrorist,” either, AJ Green. It is NOT anybody who does something I don’t approve of or accept. ‘Catseye’ comes much closer to the definition than anything you’ve been spouting.

          • ENorth says:

            Terrorism is commonly defined as violent acts (or the threat of violent acts) intended to create fear (terror), perpetrated for an economic,[1] religious, political, or ideological goal, and which deliberately target or disregard the safety of non-combatants.

          • MeeU MeeU says:

            AJ YOU PILE PRO-CHOICERS IN ONE BIG PILE LIKE A EVIL MURDERER. DO UN TO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD HAVE DONE TO YOU SINNER AND JUDGEMENTAL JERK !!!! AJ GREEN. YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHERE YOU WILL GO WHEN YOU PASS YOU ARE NOT GOD AND YOU CAN NOT SPEAK FOR YOUR OWN SINS THAT IS GODS DEPARTMENT. STOP ACTING LIKE YOUR GOD.

          • Fool_me_twice_shame_on_ME says:

            Many a so-called “Christian” has walked into a church or place of business and murdered someone because his god told him to. Tell me again how this is different from any other evil terrorist. Maybe people pile Christians ‘as a whole’ because so many of them pile everybody but themselves as a whole, be it lazy, evil, ‘sub-human’, crazy, unfit to live, etc. Matthew 7:1 “Judge not, that you be not judged.”

          • catseye says:

            “Many a so-called “Christian” has walked into a church or place of business and murdered someone because his god told him to.”
            Scott Roederer, that wonderful “pro-life” (GAG!) paragon, springs instantly to mind.

          • paulaHIK says:

            *sigh* Contrary to your desires, our country was not founded as a christian nation. Where in the Constitution does it establish we are a christian nation? It does say government can’t establish a religion.

            Your religion is between you and your God. Leave the rest of us out of it.

          • AJ Green says:

            ACTUALLY I said that the FOUNDERS were Christian, not the country or it’s constitution.
            Are you having trouble reading?

          • catseye says:

            And that is a blatant LIE. The Founders were VERY clear that America WAS _NOT_ founded on Christianity in any way shape or form. (Jefferson, the Treaty of Tripoli.)

          • AJ Green says:

            I ALREADY SAID THAT IN MY EARLIER COMMENTS I SAID THE FOUNDERS WERE CHRISTIANS. I DID NOT SAY THAT AMERICA WAS FOUNDED ON CHRISTIANITY. THERE
            IS A DIFFERENCE.

          • AJ Green says:

            Oh what? I don’t get a smart aleck remark? Guess you FINALLY figured out your pathetic mistake.

          • MeeU MeeU says:

            The first place you see GREED IS AT A CHURCH. How many churches DEMAND
            you pay 10% of your paycheck to belong to that church? GREED. Jesus
            used to talk to his people OUTSIDE. FOR FREEE

          • ENorth says:

            Did you actually get mad at yourself? That hilarious.

          • sadashell says:

            Describing people as “Christian” is a moving target you are using way too often and confidently. Our history is littered with all kinds of killers and mass murderers who were Christian. If you say they are not “real” Christians, I can argue the same about you.
            If you include the founders, you are also talking about brilliant or very bright enlightened men who might also be slave holders (who fathered children with them), libertines, ruthless capitalists, womanizers and arrogant duelists who at times killed one another. A study of the War of 1812 is very enlightening. You could start with “Six Frigates,” great book.

          • AJ Green says:

            Ok since I’m ready to be done with this. I’ll say what I mean and be done.
            1- I believe that ALL life is sacred so I detest unnecessary murdering babies.
            2- I believe in the God of the Bible and that man is not the ultimate being.
            3- I have heard pretty much any argument you could pose about the aforementioned topics and already considered them. They have all failed in comparison with what I already believe.
            NOW. I’m gonna go and live my life happily as possible and joyful always because I have a savior in Jesus and have defended his precepts to the best of my ability. I wish you all a happy and profitable life. And…. I’m praying for you!

          • catseye says:

            Shorter little boy:
            “The grown-ups made hamburger out of my childish, arrogant ignorance, so I’m going to stomp off in a snit.”
            Good riddance.

          • foxexploder says:

            The “stomping” is what Americans have always done to Fascists, Religious or not!

          • MeeU MeeU says:

            how do you even know what god thinks? how can you speak for god? maybe its not murder to god. How dare you speak like you know what GOD WOULD THINK – I PRAY THAT GOD SHOWS YOU HOW JUDEMENTAL YOU ARE AND HOW AWEFUL YOU SPEAK TO OTHERS.

          • Fool_me_twice_shame_on_ME says:

            Since you believe ALL life is sacred, do you detest and reject the Republican/Tea Party? They are all about removing and denying any help with health care and nourishment for poor people and their children. They demand every child be born, but remove any concern for that life once it’s forced into the world. They are all about doing away with safety standards and environmental responsibilities in corporate work places. People are put at unnecessary risk because corporate greed needs more profit and these concerns cost money. Do you support the death penalty? Do you support the never-ending, for profit wars the right wing promotes to keep their benefactors’ profits soaring? Something tells me you aren’t QUITE the “all life is sacred” person you profess. I’ll bet you’re more the “single issue, never mind everything and everyone else” kind of guy who actually couldn’t care less about anybody but yourself and your family. That, all by itself makes a good right wing voter today. I’ll never understand how so many on the right can support people and policies that are as UN-Christian and UN-American as possible in practice, and still claim to be patriotic and Christian. From where I stand, they just expose themselves as the hypocrites and phonies they are. And you needn’t waste your time praying for me. Unlike you, I’m not brainwashed and bogged down with religious dogma designed and used to manipulate me into doing things that are hypocritical and actually hurt people – like voting Republican/Tea Party.

          • groversyck says:

            Again, you are totally WRONG.
            You are not “living you life” You are living a delusion.

          • catseye says:

            Hi, grover. I think I remember you from either AlterNet or Mother Jones.

          • ENorth says:

            Keywords here, “I believe” Yes, you believe, that’s great. That doesn’t mean we should all believe whatever you believe. That also doesn’t mean you’re right.

          • foxexploder says:

            Jesus did not ask you to “defend him”, he asked you to “witness” his sacrifice! Judgement is mine seethe the lord. Love one another is the only commandment you need to obey. Most Christians have lost that War and will end up in the sea of fire! So, pray all you want, if you have not compassion and show it for the lesser among you, you cannot get into the Kingdom of Heaven!

          • MeeU MeeU says:

            The fathers of this great nation did NOT want church and state to be one. That was the entire point to keep it separate. it keeps corruption at bay. Especially corrupt churches and religion. Religion is the FIRST PLACE you will see corruption. The first place you see GREED IS AT A CHURCH. How many churches DEMAND you pay 10% of your paycheck to belong to that church? GREED. Jesus used to talk to his people OUTSIDE. FOR FREEE

          • Fool_me_twice_shame_on_ME says:

            While the commenters responding to your false narrative repeatedly missed your LIE that the founders were Christian, I will address it. Most of the founders were NOT Christian. Thomas Jefferson and most of the founders were Deists, which is to say they thought the universe had a creator, but that he does not concern himself with the daily lives of humans, and does not directly communicate with humans, either by revelation or by sacred books. They spoke often of God, (Nature’s God or the God of Nature), but this was not the God of the bible. It’s only you Christian revisionists who ignore history and fabricate a narrative to promote your fantasy. No matter how many times you tell that lie, it still doesn’t make it a fact. …By the way, isn’t lying supposed to be something REAL Christians shouldn’t do? I wonder why so many do.

          • groversyck says:

            Again, AJ, you are still wrong. Most of the founders were NOT christian.
            They were Deist and atheist.

          • ENorth says:

            Ffs, fix your cap button. All caps doesn’t make your argument better. It does make you sound like a nutjob, though.

          • Gregory Brown says:

            The founders were mostly deists, not Christians. The country was founded on Enlightenment principles, not the Bible.

          • jericho says:

            And you don’t know the difference between a Christian and a Deist. There is a difference.

            You can shut off your caps lock now.

          • 1968_Camaro says:

            That’s right, Catseye. Many of the Founders were Deists. They were not of a Christian faith but they believed in a God. They also believed in the importance of separation between church and state…for good reason.

          • catseye says:

            Exactly right. All we need to do is look at what’s going on with the forced-birthers to see WHY the Wall od Separation is a good thijnjg.

          • Jeff Bowles says:

            You mean, Adams, the Treaty of Tripoli.

            Your trajectory was correct. Just fixing a detail.

          • catseye says:

            Thanx.

          • Jacob says:

            Why do you liberals have such a hard time reading? Lol

          • catseye says:

            Says the illiterate forced-birther.

          • paulaHIK says:

            Except that many of them weren’t. Ben Franklin, from what I’ve read of him, was believed to be atheist. Some of them believed in a God, but weren’t christian. What we do know for sure, is that they purposely wrote the establishment clause. They obviously didn’t want to mix religion and government.

            Your assertion that if someone says christians are terrorists they’re saying this country was founded by terrorists is a non sequitur fallacy. It’s like saying, “Hitler had brown hair; Hitler was an evil dictator; therefore, people with brown hair are evil dictators.” In the case of your argument, one plus one is equaling eleven, not two.

          • kimothyanne says:

            Not ALL of the founders were “Christians” by the current connotation…which has been altered in the last 15 to 20 years.

          • groversyck says:

            Yes it has been “altered”.
            It is now more in the realm of fascist, bordering on anarchist, and they cater to the oligarchs.

          • groversyck says:

            AJ, you are still wrong. Most of the founders were NOT christian.
            They were Deist and atheist.

          • jethom33545 says:

            Actually you didn’t say the Founders were Christians. You said Jeff was insulting the Founders. Whether all or some of the Founders, in this case the delegates to the Constitutional Convention, were Christian is beside the point. The Constitution they produced was approved unanimously and free of Christianity. Pay more attention to what you write.

          • Sotmone says:

            AJ Green By no means all of them. Some of them, were, like me, born to parents who were nominally Christian but who didn’t have strong beliefs. I was baptised and received Christian indoctrination as I child so many would claim me Christian. Yet I do not believe in gods, nor do I believe that Yeshua was the son of a god. For me he was a Jewish Mystic who saw the power of unconditional love and shared that with those who would listen. The Founders were post Enlightenment thinkers, more Deist than Theist, who opposed Theocracy and particularly Monotheistic Theocracy as consistent with the god of the three desert monotheistic religions. It is simply historically incorrect to claim that the Founders were Christian in anything other than the very widest sense. They avoided creating a Tjeocracy for very good reason. There can be no Freedom of Religion if the State supports any one Religion. The United States is and always has been secular, despite the fact that some have ignored this and have pushed religion into the public square.

          • Mark Choi says:

            The founders were most certainly NOT Christian. Moreover, they were all but universally clear that, regardless of what their personal beliefs were, they wanted Christianity (and religion in general) no where near, let alone involved, in the processes of government.

          • foxexploder says:

            Thats not what your leaders say! Don’t parse words! There are too many quotes by hundreds of your leaders stating that This Nation was founded as a “Cristian Nation”!
            Do you take us for fools? Besides, our Founders were “Deists” not “Theists”. They knew that even then a War between the Protestants and the Congregatonalists was at hand. Catholics were only tolerated if they remained quiet and sought no power! When they did, “like in the burning of the Boston Convent in 1834” or, Philadelphia’s “Bible Wars” sadly show, they were attacked”! These people did not leave Europe to seek freedom, they were thrown out for being bigots and warmongers! Nobody wanted the Pilgrims in their Countries!

          • Jacob says:

            It also says that the government can’t prohibit the free exercise thereof. And since the government has been doing that, they are inviting us to respond with our religious fervor. Much like how liberals foam at the mouth when they are challenged. Good luck.

          • Clarisse73 says:

            How has the government prohibited the free exercise of religion?

          • paulaHIK says:

            You can exercise your religion. However, you can’t force me to exercise your religion. Good luck with that.

          • zuzu_petals says:

            Your religion is tolerated and you can bend the knee any time or place you please unless it interferes with the functions of the time and location…ie: your right to pray does not include kneeling in traffic to do so, or to the distraction (aloud, let’s say) of others in class or public place such as a movie theater …wrong place and time for that function.

            They say prayer was outlawed in public schools…but kids who believe and those who do not pray every day in every class…to pass the test, to get the grade, to be left unscathed when the bully passes by. All that was ‘outlawed’ was organized, school-state sponsered prayer. The bible encourages supplicants to go to their closets to pray and not to make ostentatious display of ones faith. Not bad advise.

          • MeeU MeeU says:

            Dont you get it? becasue of your religion and your personal choice you can choose to not have an abortion. PRO CHOICE ALLOWS Such. Seriouly, just becasue you Think you konw what is right for other families, doesnt mean your right. Jesus also says NOT TO JUDGE – start taking that a bit more seriouly because you are a sinner for judging others and taking away there free will to make the right choice for themselves.

          • kimothyanne says:

            Perhaps what was meant was this: Those faux “Christians” who use their “Christianity” as a bludgeon rather than the instrument of love that Jesus preached, paint those who practice the true tenets of the religion with a tainted brush. I feel sorry for those who truly practice the teachings of Jesus; Love, Treating people as one would like to be treated, loving thy neighbor as thyself, caring for those who have less than oneself, not bearing false witness, etc. The current crop of the Religious Right “Christians” with their “prosperity” doctrine don’t seem to adhere to these basic principles.
            However, as most of us learned in the first grade…usually around Thanksgiving, the Pilgrims came to this New Land in order to escape the religious persecution perpetrated by the “State Religions” which were in effect all over Europe. For THAT reason, among a few others, our Founding Fathers explicitly stated (in more than one place) that in order to maintain the “Freedoms” written into the Declaration of Independence in this new nation, there would be a separation of Church and State.
            Some of our Forefathers were devout Christians while some … not so much. Point is, it doesn’t matter as the United States was not to have a “state sanctioned religion”. Freedom of religion in this context was defined as the freedom for each person to practice WHATEVER RELIGIOUS THEORY that the individual embraced. However, it does not give anyone the right to force said religion on anyone else. Dontcha remember this stuff from 1st Grade?

          • groversyck says:

            No, the country was not founded by christians, nor was it founded as a christian nation. The US was founded as a SECULAR nation. Most of the founders were Deist. The second largest goop were atheist.

            If you take the time to read what the founders wrote in correspondence and for “public consumption”, you will find that most of them held christianity in great contempt. Start with Thomas Jefferson, then go to John Adams. Jefferson reworked the new testament into what is known as the Jefferson bible. It is about 75 pages of what Jefferson considered to be worth while. He was the one who originated the “wall of separation” phrase.

          • foxexploder says:

            Your Party lost 3 Wars that were unnecessary! My family also fought and died for your Parties sins! Putting your men in a situation where they are surrounded by the enemy, where they can’t tell friend from foe, is against the first rule in “The Art of War”! But you keep doing it over and over again. Trying to force others to believe like you! Yes, your philosophy is the same as Isis! You just were forced to go thru the Enlightenment, by Secular people. Before that you were cutting heads off, torturing, boiling people in oil for not converting! For 500 years! Until we passed laws stopping you! If not you would still be doing it!

          • EVERYONE is born an atheist says:

            Which “christians” and living this “live a life of love” you speak of? The WBC? The KKK? Eric Robert Rudolph? Scott Roeder? Jim David Adkisson? Paul Jennings Hill? James Charles Kopp? John C. Salvi?

            Take of your blinders. You don’t define who is and who isn’t a christian.

          • Jacob says:

            The liberals are the ones who are like ISIS. They share common enemies. They commit genocide. Notice how the liberals are always defending ISIS too. 60 million abortions since Rowe v Wade. The liberals are more prolific than Hitler.

          • catseye says:

            The ones committing genocide are the FORCED BIRTHERS.

          • zuzu_petals says:

            Please…show me who supports ISIS that would remotely qualify as ‘liberal’. And all those abortions you have statistics for since Roe v Wade…include very few deaths amongst the women having them. Roe v Wade didn’t make abortion POSSIBLE, just legal. The difference being, befor Roe, no true statistics, since it was clandestine, and far more dangerous because it was unregulated and no one had rights in the bargain. It’s illegality did not save many babies, women, or families.

        • Jacob says:

          If that was true Jeff, panty waists like you would be dead right now, with your head on a pike.

        • Roxene Kimes says:

          ahh .. excuse me? who is doing the killing here.. amazing what happens when freedom becomes the freedom NOT to use your cerebral cortex.

      • Cthulhu says:

        Yeah, let’s see you discuss the subject without your book of fairy tales, then we’ll talk. Don’t tell us how much “God” loves the little babies, when he was wiping them out by the hundreds of thousands in your book of lunacy.

      • Kaye Dyer says:

        Maybe, just maybe,you should read the Bible for yourself and not rely upon someone else to fill your head with falsehood about what is in the Bible. Have you ever seen the verse Genesis 2-7. Since the Book of Psalm is a book of songs from David (The King) to God, maybe David knew that God spoke to him personally and told him he would be a great king. Nothing in the Book of Psalm should be based on anything except David to God.

        And, if God was so concerned about the fetus, as you conservatives think, why did God choose to “create” the lungs last..in the 8th month. If not for modern science (yes science) every single fetus born before the lungs were formed would die, and they did.

        And, the abortion issue should be a none issue. We the people of the United States have a right to choose our religion or lack of. No one is pro abortion, we are pro choice. We, as women, have the right to decide for ourselves, and the issue is between God and that women (if God enters your situation). God will decide if that woman sinned or not, not any living man/woman. After all, God did give the human “free will”.

      • Rennyrij says:

        We have so many unwanted children who have been born to women who could not, for one reason or another, care for them, children who are in orphanages or in the foster care system, – and you can ask about “children” who are not even viable human beings? We need to take care of the children who EXIST NOW, before we address any non-existant issues! How could a god approve of you, if you turn your backs on these orphaned children? If you and your fellow anti-choicers were required to adopt one orphaned or unwanted child every time you vote “pro-life”, I think you might see another side of this issue. YOU are the one who is “mocking God”, by your lack of concern for the orphaned and unwanted!

        • GreenD says:

          Oh, but the fundies believe that they and the whole country will be punished by their god if THEY “allow” abortion. Fear-based fairy tales, but they want us to live by their fantasies.

          • AJ Green says:

            Ok prove to me right now that there is NO God and that the world has been here for millions of years and that we’re all barely more than animals. Did you know the moon has slowly been moving from the Earth since it was made? So if the earth is millions of years old:
            1- where is the GIGANTIC crater where the Moon struck the Earth?
            Or:
            Explain how the moon existed INSIDE THE EARTH and somehow just… Popped out?

          • mjhoop says:

            It’s up to you to prove there IS a God.
            What does the moon have to do with it?
            Stay on topic or go home.

          • AJ Green says:

            *Facepalm*
            1- I have heard many an argument against God but by FAR yours is the worst.
            2- as I said already the moon has been moving slowly away from the earth since it was CREATED. So if the earth has been here for millions of years as the evolutionists say, the moon would have struck the earth or would have had to pass through it or exist inside it somehow. Seeing how that is impossible the earth can’t be NEARLY that old. I thought you’d be able to realize what I meant by using common sense but I guess there isn’t enough to go around in the pro-choice and atheist worlds
            3- I never left the topic. You can go home now.

          • paulaHIK says:

            I’ll bet you’re afraid a laser hitting the moon will blow it up.

          • paulaHIK says:

            Prove to me right now that there is a God and the Earth has only been here for 6000 years. I need proof, now. Scientific proof. Not “belief.” Belief is just another word for opinion and your opinion means absolutely nothing to me. So where’s the proof?

          • MeeU MeeU says:

            no one has to proove anything to you..WHy do you act likeyour GOD?

          • Mr R V Fernandez Sr says:

            wow, kid , you’re really entertaining, if you really want to show your intellect STFU!!!

        • Nick25 says:

          Great point– lets just kill the little [email protected]!!!! I LOVE killing!

          • Mark Schaffer says:

            Grow up.

          • catseye says:

            But only living, breathing, thinking, feeling, BORN WOMEN.

          • Nick25 says:

            Adolf would have loved to have you on his team in WWII-

          • catseye says:

            “Adolf” OUTLAWED all abortions as one of his first acts in office. NEXT!

          • Nick25 says:

            He was too busy gassing Jews– he would have loved your input.

          • catseye says:

            HISTORICAL FACT. Hitler was a rabid Catholic just like you lot. OF _COURSE_ he was “pro-life”.

          • Nick25 says:

            I’m not catholic, toots.

          • catseye says:

            SUUUUUUUUUUUURE you’re not. And I’m an internationally-recognized spokesperson for the rights of [email protected] pink unicorns .

          • birth control is NOT murder says:

            good idea. We’ll start with y’all, y’all

        • AJ Green says:

          That makes absolutely no sense. We show lack of concern for the “orphaned and unwanted” by not killing them?

          • paulaHIK says:

            By ignoring them, by not only ignoring their needs, but making sure they can’t get them, you are killing them by degrees. Oh, how your Jesus must cringe every time someone like you hurts others in his name.

        • paulaHIK says:

          Their lack of compassion, which I believe their Jesus preached about regularly.

      • GreenD says:

        Keep your religion to yourself.

        • sfwm.son says:

          Did you hear what she said? She feels abortion should be rare. You do that through education and access to reproductive health and family planning (contraception.) Your bible has nothing to do with this.

      • obiwan says:

        …assuming there is a God…

      • Leigh Hill says:

        get off my porch piper.

      • sutraquio says:

        We don’t need any Bible thumpers in here.

      • ChristineIam says:

        You religion is irrelevant. Mind your own business

      • splashy79 says:

        Piper, when another person can demand YOU give up parts of your body in order to keep them alive, to the point of you possibly dying, then we can talk. Until then, it’s the person whose body is being used by another that should have the choice.

      • sosuume says:

        Whose god? There are many. Yours is not mine and mine is not yours, and none should be dictating how we are governed. Go away now.

      • mtblaze says:

        “God will not be mocked”. Boy you’re right about that. I read about God’s wrath when David (who was moved by the Lord to do so) counted his people. After all, King David needed tax money to fight the many wars his Lord demanded. When the Lord found out that David had counted his people, the Lord punished David by killing 76,000 of David’s (and I assume, the Lord’s) people. Now that’s an angry God for you.

        In spite of all your texts from the book written by an ancient Hebrew nomadic tribe, abortion is currently legal in the United States of America. Like Walter Cronkite used to say… “and that’s the way it is”.

        • mjhoop says:

          It might be legal but it’s going away fast, thanks to state laws that make it all but impossible to get an abortion.
          When SCOTUS gave women the right to control their own bodies, I told people that what the govt. gives, the govt. can take away. Now look how right I was. Young women took advantage of what older women got for them, and didn’t bother to watch the people who could take it all back.

          And the same goes for LGBT marriage. If the community doesn’t pay close attention and prevent reversal, they need to be on watch every day of every year and stop the legislators from changing the conditions/laws that give this benefit to LGBTs. Or it will disappear, just as the facilities for abortions are disappearing.

      • sofarsogood says:

        Please try and use your brain to answer and not some book someone gave you.

      • RightwingLieDetector says:

        What if God is really a woman who thinks you’re the one doing the mocking, Bubba?

      • MeeU MeeU says:

        A human being wrote that line. not GOD. People inserted a lot of false crap into the bible. How do you know that was GOD. You dont. A man also took women out of the bible.. I dont think GOD would have done that..

        GOD = FREE CHOICE AND FREE WILL

        Why do you think GOD wants people to HAVE FREE CHOICE AND FREE WILL???

        Because then we make the RIGHT CHOICE with FREE WILL and its HONEST NOT FORCED.

      • jethom33545 says:

        A pregnant woman is caring a fetus which is by medical definition part of her body. It’s hers and her doctors decision what a woman does with her body. Your God and religion don’t get to force women to be incubators. Consider your God fellow mocked and irrelevant to this discussion in a secular society.

      • CaroCogitatus says:

        “14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. 14:35 And if they will
        learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.” 1Cor 14:34-35

        Maybe your husband could post *his* opinion? I don’t want to mock God by listening to you foolish wimmenfolk jibber-jabber.

      • groversyck says:

        Read you bible (buy bull). In Leviticus it says that life begins with the first breath.

      • Humphrey Chimpden Earwicker says:

        When you show equal concern for people who are already born, that you do for fetuses for which you have no responsibility, then maybe I will take you people seriously. But you’re not going to do that, because you’re not really pro-life at all, you’re merely pro-birth.

      • PirateWoman says:

        God is not pro-life.

      • foxexploder says:

        Of Course God is mocked! Everyday in Evangelical Churches! Everyday in Republican’t King licking lies! Especially by pretend God men on the right like Fauldwell, Roberts, etc! Devil worshipers pretending to be Christians is worried about in the Bible! Those who hate and listen to the liar will burn in a lake of fire. That goes for all members of the Tea Party who belong to the Party that all Racist and hate groups belong to. Neo Nazi’s, John Birchers, White Supremacists, KKK, have only one Party! Republican Tea Party fascists! Your in that Party, you burn with your friends!

    • Nick25 says:

      Should the woman who happens to be the baby that’s going to be ripped apart to death have a choice????? Oh ma gawd….awesome…..

      You demon

    • hangdogit says:

      That is a big reason that I’m voting for Hillary — and against any of the pro-forced-birth Republicans.

      They want Smaller Government? No — just a smaller part that HELPS people. The part that carries guns, subsidizes the rich or polices pregnancies — they want that HUGE. A$$holes, all.

      • Hugh Everett says:

        I’m pro-choice, but Rand Paul’s argument about “seven pound babies” is proving effective, because it involves three simple words that fit on a bumper sticker.

        • Patrick King says:

          What about those of us who are pro-abortion? We’re not on the list. I’m a conservative like Barry Goldwater. I think in many cases abortion should be compulsory. If you can’t bring a child into a comfortable set of circumstances, if you’re addicted to drugs, living in poverty, living from criminal activity, abortions should be compulsory in these cases and others. Don’t we have enough criminals? Don’t we have enough children growing up angry and abused? Compulsory abortion would have eliminated Ted Bundy, David Berkowitz, Tommy Lynn Sells and Charles Manson as well as most serial murderers and rapists, before they ever hurt anyone. Child bearing is a privilege, not a right. Why should we pay with our tax dollars to maintain the irresponsible life choices of degenerates?

          • Sientje Seinen says:

            well tell the woman to keep her legs crossed as when she opens her legs, she has lost control over that part of her body and must face the consequences of same instead of us taxpayers funding her abortion.

          • Melinda Arlette Pace-Padfield says:

            Here we go again…tax payer monies do not pay for abortions. That hasn’t happened in decades. We do, however, pay for unwanted children who end up on Medicaid, using food stamps and other taxpayer funds. Then we pay to incarcerate them as juveniles and adults. It’s a sick, sick cycle.

          • HomeSweet12 says:

            Do not waste your time. These people have been brainwashed by the Republican far religious right and nothing you can say will change their minds. Fact is they still believe Ebola is knocking at their door.

          • cecilia says:

            makes more sense to cut off your naughty bits because according to what you are saying women who are raped are to blame

            F you

          • Sientje Seinen says:

            woman could at least dress decently and not provoke men into lustfull desires, some women do ask for it. not saying all, but maybe we should have a law like in the Bible where the guy has to pay the father and marry the girl, so she punish him daily by having to look at her face and what he has done to her.

          • cecilia says:

            you Do realize that 80 year old women ASLEEP in their beds have been raped…not to mention children.

            what are they doing to “incite” some douche-bag to assault them??

            oh, that’s right……………..

            NOTHING

          • Jack Engle says:

            You really have been brainwashed.

          • 1GreekAmericanWoman1 says:

            Funny, people like you NEVER mention men closing THEIR legs.

          • Sientje Seinen says:

            well their mothers should have told them early in life “to keep it covered” any mother is negligent in her duty if she doesnt tell the boys.

          • gngr12345 says:

            Oh, so now it’s the mother’s fault that a son rapes women? Once again it’s the woman who’s to blame. What about the dad talking to the son and telling him to keep it zipped. Are you here just lobbing in any dumb thing you can think of to pizz people off?

          • Sientje Seinen says:

            sorry you are right the father should talk to his son, it would save a lot of heartache if children were brought up this way. no I am not trying to piss you off as you put it, but telling it that abortions and selling their parts is an inhuman thing to do. if it does happen, why not give the child up for adoption anything is better than murdering the child within.

          • deb says:

            Besides being completely off your rocker I can’t tell from your name or your picture if you are a man or a woman. Which is it?

          • 1GreekAmericanWoman1 says:

            I got a feeling it is a woman by the way she writes.

          • Sientje Seinen says:

            that I suppose is true too, decent men would not ask this of a woman if they had good morals and a decent upbringing.

          • 1GreekAmericanWoman1 says:

            You don’t get to decide for others what good morals and a decent upbringing is.

          • Sientje Seinen says:

            I agree and if you dont know it is time you educated yourself. instead walking with the world and bringing shame and weakening America to become a country of queers.

          • Autismmomx4 says:

            No taxpayers fund abortion. Hey, I’ve got an idea, let’s hold men equally responsible!

          • Sientje Seinen says:

            in Canada they do. and I am sick of having my taxes pay for someone else’s abortion. and yes men should be held responsible, it take two to tango.

          • valkyrie17 says:

            Sientje…if you are Canadian, I am ashamed of you. I am also a Canadian, and my taxes pay for everyone’s medical choices. Too bad if they are things I disagree with. Some overweight man getting heart surgery. A smoker getting treatment for lung cancer. They made choices that harmed themselves, It is NOT FOR US TO JUDGE. So, you can think of your taxes paying for roads, and my part can go for abortions for women who need them, OK? Stop whining.

          • Sientje Seinen says:

            not whining, abortions are killing the child within and now they have found out that they sell those baby parts form aborted babies, you are agreeing to murder, makes you an accessory to same.

          • Sheila Trudeau says:

            How about men keep their “equipment” ‘crossed” – then there might be far fewer abortions. In other words it takes two t tango and both parties are equally responsible Sienje.

          • ZeaL says:

            YAY! I say we start sending all the raped women and their unwanted babies to you and yours to raise! That way you can pay for the baby for 18 years instead of allowing the poor woman to be rid of it! 😀

          • Sientje Seinen says:

            give me the statistics of how many women are really raped? I bet you dont have a clue. those children you aborted will become your judges you know that dont you?

          • cecilia says:

            a blob of cells can’t know anything.

            That’s like saying after I blow my nose my snot will be “mad” at me.

            Well, so far none of my discarded tissues have risen up in revolt. Of course, in your wacky world it COULD happen.
            You need to stop drinking because the DT’s are BAD

          • Sientje Seinen says:

            I guess the creator of those blob of cells would know what you did to them, would He not? what if you had to meet them after you die, what explanation would you give? and you must have experienced the DT’s if you are warning me about them, dont drink, dont smoke, though did at one time, was foolish and vain at that time. remember “taste good like a cigarette should?” and btw snot doesnt grow like cells do

          • cecilia says:

            I’ve never taken any drugs or gotten drunk in my life because I have no interest. I love being 100% healthy. I enjoy my brain working at 100% efficiency. Obviously you still suffer from the effects of drug dependency.

            I don’t ha;hallucinate that there are invisible sky dudes talking to me. I don’t live a paranoid existence worrying about what may happen after I am dead.

            That’s because I have lived a useful, creative, productive life. I have nothing to apologize about. I’m not a pathetic loser like you.

          • Sientje Seinen says:

            oh you are so great but there is still evil in your heart when you condone the murdering of the child within the womb, did you know that the seniors now are greater in number than the younger generation by 15% wonder whom is going to do the work in the years to come when the younger generation is killed of by abortions.

          • cecilia says:

            you are clearly ignorant of the FACT that there are 7 BILLION humans on the planet right now. We need more abortions and more people NOT having children, not fewer.

            in MY lifetime humans have DOUBLED in population. That isn’t good for planet earth.

          • Sientje Seinen says:

            I guess you were that blob at one time and it seems you havent grown out being a blob, wonder what you would happened if your mother had aborted you? would you judge your mother and tell she did you a favour?

          • cecilia says:

            that’s right, I was once a collection of cells. Of course, I wasn’t ME.

            and it’s just lucky that this collection of cells continued to develop to the point where I was born. Just luck and nothing more. My mother had a miscarriage before me. What is the point of being upset over that?

            what is the point is making up stories about something that didn’t happen and wasn’t meant to be?

            and as I wouldn’t have existed I wouldn’t “care”.

            people like you need to lay off the fairy tales and learn to mind your own business

          • Sientje Seinen says:

            so you are saying that other cells dont continue to develop and become born children? that is not your decision to make, some people do have miscarriages, that is usually mother’s nature of dealing with cells that are defective in some way. and you are telling me that a human being has the right to kill these cells when mother nature decides the cells are perfectly okay and produce a child at the end of nine months, it is murder no matter how you look at it. so you should thank the Lord your mother did not have murder within her heart, and kept you from being destroyed. isnt that the truth?

          • cecilia says:

            so you are saying that other cells dont continue to develop and become born children?

            you seem to have serious reading comprehension problem

            I’m saying there’s no guarantee that any cells become anything. Cells are not anything but cells.

            and anything that happens in MY body is MY choice.

            I would never tell a women what she can and can’t do with her own body. I don’t support slavery at all.

            you have no right to dictate to another human being what they can feel, believe and do with their lives and body.
            YOU are not the boss of ANYONE

            if YOU don’t like abortion than don’t have one. But you have no right to tell another person what they can do in their personal lives.

          • Sientje Seinen says:

            yet you were a bunch of cells and you became who you are, how do you know it is not hurtful to those cells to have them destroyed. One has to be responsible for themselves and once you open your legs, and let someone invade you have lost control over your body, whether you like it or not, If you believe you are not guilty of murdering the cells which will eventually will be a human being sooner or later, you are responsible for that same human being, if you are too selfish to do so, then you have the option of giving it up for abortions, which still is does not make for a great person, but it is better than being a murderer of your own offspring.

          • cecilia says:

            I wasn’t ME the person when there were a “bunch of cells” inside my mother. There wasn’t a person there. It wasn’t ME. Just cells.

            and cells aren’t hurt. You are making up nonsense.

            You can get as emotional as you like about your fairy tale story. But don’t you dare force others to buy into this garbage. Stop interfering in people’s personal lives. Frankly, I get the impression you butt your nose into others lives because you have none of your own.

            Shame on you

          • Sientje Seinen says:

            lol you are saying it wasnt you that you mother delivered after nine months? what happened to those cells, you mean to say she had an abortion after all? you are the one interfering in other people’s life for pro choice, it is not up to you to say that women should have an abortion and kill the child within. I dont tell people to have an abortion, I am happy for them when they tell me they are going to have a baby, by the way they never tell me, that they have a bunch of cells growing within them, so why are you telling people about abortions when it is not your call. now is it? why do you begrudge others the gift of life?

          • Dee54 says:

            Tax payers pay for all kinds of things we don’t want to. Personally I am very against war but my freaking taxes pay for that. I am against my insurance paying for infertility treatments because by the things that religious people say “God put the baby there so it has a right to be born” must mean that since God did not see fit to give you a baby why should my insurance pay for it? And I am way past needing any of the abortion or infertility treatments so I do not have a dog in this fight other than my taxes.

          • Sientje Seinen says:

            I agree the government should be accountable for the way they spend those taxes or what programs should be implemented. unfortunately once they hold those high positions they do whatever pleases them either to fill their own pockets, vote themselves in a huge pension etc.

          • Casey Marion says:

            Haven’t been taxpayer funded since before they were legal – per the Hyde Amendment, passed in 1976.

          • Georgia Leigh Mitchell says:

            And tell idiot men, such as yourself, to use a condom or keep their penis tucked inside their pants! Once a man pulls out his penis, he must face the consequences instead of us taxpayers funding his forced, illegitimate children! MORON!

          • Sheila Trudeau says:

            You’re post is very, very thought provoking. Thank you from a dedicated liberal.

          • Shadow Diver says:

            Compulsory abortion? Child bearing is a privilege? You should move to China. You would fit in there. Irresponsible degenerates? You mean like M. Huckabee who raised an animal torturer and murderer. Or do you mean like the Duggars and their one family population explosion? You seem to think that lower income people have no rights to children. You really should drop fking dead.

          • Patrick King says:

            As you should know, Americans who are not millionaires or doctors can’t “move” anywhere. No other country will take us. Yeah, I do think that child bearing is a privledge. If you can’t afford a child you should not have a child whatever you have to do to prevent it… and that’s for the good of the child, not the parent. For the record, I don’t like what you think either.

          • Patrick King says:

            Hmmmm, a coward as well as an idiot. Unfortunately I’m not wealthy enough to move to China. China has already a fairly large population and they do not offer jobs to Americans that are needed by their own people. So the USA is stuck with me and you’ll see my ideas being widely discussed and legislation offered to make them law before your own time here is over. Mark my words!

        • HomeSweet12 says:

          Be very careful about saying what Latino Voters are for or against. Remember Rand Paul is also for allowing businesses to discriminate at will. Fact is Rand Paul is just like any other Republicans he will say what every it takes to get your vote then once he is elected he will stab you and your family in the back and take the big money.

        • Middleoftheinterstate says:

          Roe Vs. Wade. No issue.

          • Hugh Everett says:

            Ask Kermit Gosnell about issues. He has plenty of time on his hands to explain it to you.

          • valkyrie17 says:

            banning abortion would lead to many more Gosnells. Eliminating legal abortion does not end abortion…it merely ends SAFE abortion.

        • Woody Lifton says:

          Hugh…Let Me make this perfectly clear…when it comes to the Latino vote…the Repubs will get completely smoked…do you not pay any attention to what they all have been saying…every other word out of their mouths is offensive to EVERY MINORITY….you really think minorities other than the Latino vote don;t hear their VERY LOUD racism and think when will they turn their attention to my minority and treat us this badly….if you do not think that EVERY JEWISH PERSON in America’s did not react to Trump’s “REGISTRATION IDEA”…we’ve been there…done that…it was called the HOLOCAUST….we hear this quite clearly as does LATINO community!!!

      • Ellen says:

        The “What’s the difference?” Hillary? Sure, when she was the Secretary of State, she did a good job in not doing anything.

        • Grace N Love says:

          Yes I love how you repubs take the “Whats the difference” phrase totally out of context. Does it make you feel good to lie about what Hillary said or meant? Here i will post exactly what she said since i know you would not ever think about actually looking it up and reading. Clinton said ” With all due respect, the fact is we had four dead Americans. Was it because of a protest or was it because of guys out for a walk one night who decided that they’d they go kill some Americans? What difference at this point does it make? It is our job to figure out what happened and do everything we can to prevent it from ever happening again, Senator. Now, honestly, I will do my best to answer your questions about this, but the fact is that people were trying in real time to get to the best information. The IC has a process, I understand, going with the other committees to explain how these talking points came out. But you know, to be clear, it is, from my perspective, less important today looking backwards as to why these militants decided they did it than to find them and bring them to justice, and then maybe we’ll figure out what was going on in the meantime.”

          • Ellen says:

            It still amounts to the same thing. As far as Hillary was concerned it did not matter anymore why the four Americans were ambushed and killed. Glad she does not want it to happen again but the fact remains that the “most powerful” country in the world did not do or could not do anything to stop the attack while it was taking place. And reports said it went on for about 7 hours. There was no timely aid sent to save those under attach. What were we doing? Sleeping? We need a leader to be able to act under pressure. And who is lying? Not me. Maybe you just cannot fathom anything deep.

          • Mark Choi says:

            It neither “amounts to the same thing” nor was it, again, what she said. But nice try weaseling out of an argument by sing false equivalences.

          • Ellen says:

            That is your opinion. If you want to kiss Hillary’s a—, it Is your prerogative. The fact remains that no support was given to the embassy in Benghazi. And report said that there was American military presence a couple of miles away.

          • Mark Choi says:

            No it is not a matter of opinion. It is a simple matter of the English language and what words mean. Apparently you have a problem with that.
            As to lack of support given to the embassy, first, LOTS of embassies lack such support, and more importantly, the responsibility ultimately rests with Congress, who must fund requests for such.
            Moreover, what report are you talking about. EVERY report ever commissioned made clear that Clinton was not at fault.
            You simply have no idea what you’re babbling about.

          • Ellen says:

            Looks like you are the one who has no idea of what you are defending or spouting about. If it was not Hillary’s fault, whose is it? The fact remains that nobody came to the defense of the people in the embassy. That is where it is at with me. And Hillary was the Secretary of State. They were just like sitting ducks left to their own devises. If your family is being attacked, you will just do nothing? And make excuses later on? You seem not to think about the employees in the country’s embassy and it’s defense in foreign lands. Your narrow-mindedness only defends Hillary. And for what? All officials should take responsibility of their positions.

          • Mark Choi says:

            Wow. Talk about making unwarranted assumptions! First, I am not “defending” Clinton. I don’t even particularly like her. My argument is that YOUR argument is both fallacious as well as completely baseless, bordering on the delusional. This is true regardless of who Clinton is.
            As for the rest of your nonsense, whose “fault” is it? The terrorists in Benghazi of course. You suffer from the common malady of simpletons of believing that there are simple answers to complicated issues. There usually isn’t.
            Moreover, following your argument, George Bush is responsible for the 9/11 attacks. No one came to the defense of the Twin Towers, and he was President of the United States. It is an idiotic, nonsensical argument, but glad it makes you feel better on cold nights, backing in the short sighted heat of your misplaced anger.
            Meanwhile, as you are NOT the family of anyone killed in the embassy, you are not in a position to attempt to use them in any sort of analogy.
            Talk about narrow-mindedness!

          • Ellen says:

            Well, you started it. So you cannot take your own medicine? Stupidity knows no bounds. Of course it was the fault of the terrorists in Benghazi. But the lack of defense, whose fault is it? I read in a report that the Secretary of State was informed of the attack, yet no defense was even planned. Who said there are simple answers to complicated problems? You probably did, simpleton. Your single mindedness says it was not Hillary’s fault. If you do not like her, why are you defending her? Another stupidity? It would only have been Bush’s fault if he did not do anything about 9/11. But he did. Fighter planes were deployed but it was too late. Remember it was a sneak attack? And he did take out Saddam Hussein. Of course I am not any family to those killed. But who was attacked? Isn’t this an exhibition of shallowness? It was our country’s embassy and our country’s ambassador. They were the representatives of America in Benghazi. And they were left to fend for themselves. Our country should protect our ambassadors, especially in foreign lands.

          • Mark Choi says:

            WTH are you babbling about!?! I started it? First, this is not a fight during 2nd grade recess. Second, I was commenting on YOUR post. You chose to post, so YOU initiated this exchange.
            As to your continued misinformed contentions regarding the Benghazi incident, how about you read one of the NUMEROUS reports made by REPUBLICAN commissions, that free Clinton of the blame you keep trying to ascribe to her?
            Who said their were simply answers to complicated questions? Why, yo did. It is inherent in your ridiculous arguments. It is inherent in the misinformed statements you keep making, and the simple minded questions you keep asking.
            Why am I defining her if I don’t like her? Because, unlike you, I don’t let my feeling bias my understanding of the FACTS.
            As to t9/11, um Bush DIDN’T do anything about 9/11. You simply have no clue what you’re talking about. Going after Bin Laden was a major concern of the Clinton administration. When Bush came to power, it was back burnered.
            Numerous other issues are also involved, where we had opportunities to prevent the attack, but Bush did nothing.
            And being that Saddam Hussein had NOTHING to do with 9/11, WTH are you bringing that up for?
            As for shallowness, no, it is an exhibition of RELEVANCE, as well as the fact that, again, you have no business making arguments for those people who ARE family of those involved.
            As to your nonsense about ambassadors, we have hundreds of them. Most are very loosely protected, if at all. How pray tell, do you suggest they all be protected, given the current staffing budget?

          • Ellen says:

            There is somebody babbling but it is not me. Posts need to be discussed, not the commenter maligned as seems to be the only thing you know. And you do not know anything about anything either. I think you should limit yourself to playground petty fights and stay off intellectual discussions or discussions that concern our country. Go back to kindergarten please. I think you will do well there.

          • Mark Choi says:

            “There is somebody babbling but it is not me.”
            Just because you claim something on the internet does not make it true. Your misinformed, nonsensical, factually inaccurate and logically fallacious rants are nothing if not barely coherent babbling.
            And while some things may need to be discussed, not all things do, and furthermore, your posts make clear that you are not interested in “discussion” but rather brow beating, ranting, and trolling.
            as to your childish rant in your latest reply, I think it is pretty clear to anyone reading this thread who is not capable of intellectual discussions. Furthermore, considering how many of your statements have been demonstrated to be outright false, or factually incorrect, you are in no position to talk.

          • Max Robins says:

            And the winner is…………..MARK CHOI !!! (Ellen is an idiot)

          • Ellen says:

            It is you that is an imbecile. Mark Choi is the winner in ignorance. And you are too.

          • Max Robins says:

            Hahaha. If you weren’t so dangerous I’d feel sorry for you. You’re pathetic!

          • Ellen says:

            Who started the brow beating? You. Don’t lie now. I am not going to waste anymore time in an imbecile, like you. From now on I will ignore all your lies and flounderings. You are like a fish out of water. Or shall I say, a fish with out a lick of sense and brain?

          • Mark Choi says:

            Um, again, simply typing claims into the internets does not make them true. The brow-beating started with the very first post. YOUR very first post.
            As for the rest of your inane rant, am I supposed to be hurt? Or offended?
            I suspect most people here would raise their voices in rejoicing if it were actually true that you were going to stop posting here.

          • Max Robins says:

            Ellen…………..you’re a moron!

          • Ellen says:

            I am not the moron, you are. You cannot see beyond your nose and your ignorance. Does not even know how to read between the lines or discern underneath the pile of lies.

          • jericho says:

            He took the facts and laid them right at your feet.

            Hilarious that you whine about being “maligned” in one sentence and follow it up with this: ” I think you should limit yourself to playground petty fights and stay off intellectual discussions or discussions that concern our country. Go back to kindergarten please. I think you will do well there.”

            Without a hint of irony.

          • Ellen says:

            He laid HIS FACTS on my feet. It was NOT my facts. It was not irony. Judging from his statements, it was a statement of fact for me. Like I say comment on the subject matter, NOT the commenter.

          • jericho says:

            “Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.” — Daniel Patrick Moynihan.

            You’d be smart to learn the difference.

          • 1GreekAmericanWoman1 says:

            Well said. These people have no interest in facts or truth. Just Hillary-bashing.

          • middleoftheroader065 says:

            You do know the ambassador turned down the offer of additional security twice in the month leading up to the attack don’t you? Maybe he had a death wish? Or suicide by terrorist?

          • Sientje Seinen says:

            reports can be falsified, especially if you have friends in high places.

          • foxexploder says:

            That was a proven lie! As are 80% of the right wing lies spewed out on hate radio and Fox every day ad nausea! Security budget for Embassy’s was cut by Republicans! Embassy’s are not Military bases. Geez, do we have to keep talking to unschooled dimwitted, know nothing, do nothing, Right wing Ignoramus’?

          • Ellen says:

            I think you are the ignoramus here. And who proved it? The Hillary that lies? And you are making excuses for the non-action. Great attitude, isn’t it.?Comment on the issue, not the commenter, if you really think you have a brain in your head. Respond, not react, if you know what I mean, right? How about a CONSERVATIVE? And not right wing?

          • powderriver says:

            “Conservative”? What a joke. You wouldn’t recognize a true conservative if one shat on your empty head.

            What a pathetic joke, still beating the ‘Benghazi’ drum, when all your Teatard masters in Congress couldn’t manage to cook-up a viable fairytale, despite the endless hearings and million$ wasted, just to put on a political dog-and-pony show…….the same pathetic and tired little show you can’t manage to give-up on.

            Meanwhile, 3000 Americans lost their lives on YOUR watch, and YOU expended another 4500 American lives in a misguided war-of-choice in Iraq. That’s CONSERVATIVE? Hardly. Talk about ‘making excuses’.

          • Sientje Seinen says:

            Americans have become a bunch of cowards cant even keep the queers from recruiting their kids, in the schools, why do you think they are teaching sexual orientation in your public schools. homosexuality cant survive without recruiting, America is doomed.

          • Mark Choi says:

            What an idiotic comment. How, praytell, did homosexuality exist since the dawn of mankind? How does it exist in EVERYTHING animal species examined?
            Well?

          • Sientje Seinen says:

            it must have as written in Genesis, “It grieved G-d that He created mankind and send the flood, which took them all away except Noah a preacher of rightenous. and look at Sodom and Gomorroh being destroyed because of Pride and homosexuality. and if you wish to lower yourself to the animal kingdom which can neither reason, or read as they only go by instinct you are welcome, but then remember Nebucadnezer also became like an animal and was made to eat grass like them also. Is that what you liken homosexuals to?

          • jericho says:

            So how many more Congressional investigations do you want to see for this? How many Congressional investigations were there to study the runup to a war that killed 4500 men?

          • Ellen says:

            Was there a Congressional investigation? Has anything much come out with these investigations? Maybe the consensus was “what difference does it make now?” My point is, if Hillary becomes president we may be another Benghazi, as far as she is concerned. A president that does not take responsibility, is no president.

          • foxexploder says:

            Impeach you Congress that disapproved Embassy Security increases requested by the State Department! Better yet ask the Toady King lickers in Congress or on Fox to publicly debate their hundreds of lies and smears they bombard “Dupes” like you with!

          • Ellen says:

            Politics is no excuse. How about responding and not reacting? Novel idea, isn’t it.

          • Roxene Kimes says:

            Not a chance Ellen. This is a party built on hate. They are repulsed by anything as absolute as an historical empirical.
            This (and Hillary is the prepped pawn who WILL do this) has been in the works for many years. The goal is to destroy the nation and the people who brought freedom to it. Because they are inseparable they want to put their own absolutes in place on our ashes. What you see once you look close enough is that this isa no linger about left and right. It is about right and wrong. The goal is to get us to kill each other so they will not have to. Do not play their game. Look up Hegelian Dialectics. Those who have put folks like Obama and Hillary into office are setting this up. There is little doubt in my mind where this goes and why.

          • powderriver says:

            Such uber-stupidity, so freely and proudly expressed, used to be a public rarity, and a source of embarrassment. Now promoting nonsensical fairytales has become an all-too-common point-of-pride for you Teatards, and so you wear the nonsense like a tatoo on your forehead to gain entrance into the Club of Idiots. You wouldn’t know a Hegelian Dialectic if it shat on your empty head…….which, apparently unbeknownst to you, it has already when the Cheney regime took the biggest and smelliest dump in history on your head, and ‘morans’ like you are STILL celebrating that noxious fact.

          • 1GreekAmericanWoman1 says:

            The GOP Congress refused to increase security and gutted the budget. Lay the blame where it belongs. Novel idea, the truth, huh?

          • justcurious says:

            Ellen… Like George W? Weapons of mass destruction, failure to stop Wall Street from crashing the economy, Torture, Violation of the Geneva Convention? Crimes against Humanity…

            I grieve for those lost, all of them, check out the department of defense website..

            OPERATION IRAQI FREEDOM (OIF) U.S. CASUALTY STATUS *

            FATALITIES AS OF: May 8, 2015, 10 a.m. EDT
            We were justified to invade Afghanistan. but these Iraq Casualties should be charged as war crimes, both by our government and the world bodies.

          • 1GreekAmericanWoman1 says:

            She took responsibility. What she was referring to was what difference does it make now when nothing can be done? Those Republicans are disingenuous. Playing politics, they could care less. they just wanted something to hang on Obama and Clinton. even their own R committees came up with no fault. But, of course, that is not enough. The truth is not enough for them. They want liberal blood, but are blind to the numerous war crimes that Bush and Cheney committed with NO accountability. There were no committees for their lies and war mongering. But they can’t leave the country because hey will be tried as war criminals that they are.

          • Sientje Seinen says:

            They knew these Americans were under attack and they did nothing, so yes what difference does it make, after why think anyone’s life is precious when she approves of abortions, is she not lucky her mom didnt believe in abortions?

          • 1GreekAmericanWoman1 says:

            You have no logic. Abortion has nothing to do with this. Homosexuality has nothing to do with this. SHE cared very much. You twist her words to fit your hateful agenda. The RepubliCONS even found her NOT guilty and NOT responsible. Not once, or twice, but several times. Truth does not matter to you. Just conspiracy theories, misinformation, and lies. If they had wanted to secure the embassy, which was not a military base, the RepubliCONS would not have drastically cut the budget. But I don’t hear you say anything about that. Nope. You refuse to see or hear the truth. You refuse to admit the truth. Only one thing you said that was right…. THEY did nothing (the RepubliCONS). The GOP Congress is called the “Do-Nothing Congress” for a reason.

          • Sientje Seinen says:

            Is there something wrong with your keyboard? it does not seem to want to spell Republicans the right way. Hillary is too ambitious for her own good. she should have stayed in the kitchen like any good mother and wife. Surely America has better candidates than she?

          • Sientje Seinen says:

            Hillary should have stayed in the kitchen then her husband may not have had a roving eye. she is too ambitious for her own good.

          • 1GreekAmericanWoman1 says:

            You should stay in the kitchen, you are too dumb to do anything else. I bet you never went past high school. Or are you a college drop-out?

          • Cheryl Lynn says:

            too bad yours didn’t

          • Sientje Seinen says:

            so in your heart their are murderous thoughts? and so you also justify abortions and have your baby parts sold for a price? it is the nature of the beast isnt it?

          • Cheryl Lynn says:

            if murder is what it takes to get rid of the stupid sheeple n your hate filled, psychopathic god then so be it …

          • Sientje Seinen says:

            lol and how do you propose to do that seeing He has created all things, and even you with murderous thoughts in your heart, then you are not on His side, so repent and come to know the Lord God of Israel and Christ Jesus whom He sent so you could live more abundantly.

          • Cheryl Lynn says:

            but since a foetus is not a viable life form on its own there is no ‘murder’ occurring in an abortion …. here’s a thought … try reading some science books n learn something other than the incessant, hate filled nonsense you supposed ‘christians’ like to spew

          • Sientje Seinen says:

            lolol says you and I suppose you were not a foetus at one time, what were you a blob? lol you are ridiculous in saying that, how did you manage to grow arms and legs if you were not a foetus in your mother’s womb? wishyou were as concerned with what happens when an abortion takes place as your are with your narcistic viewpoint.

          • Cheryl Lynn says:

            I’m also curious … how many single women/girls are you helping to feed so they can have a healthy baby n how many unwanted children have you adopted or are fostering or how many starving children worldwide are you currently sponsoring thru some organization .. world vision, feed the children, christian children
            I get a disability pension n currently sponsor 4 children … part of how I work to help those who are not fortunate enough to be living in this awesome country

          • Sientje Seinen says:

            I am a member of the pro-life movement donate money and valuables to same. and way to go if you are able to go hungry yourself in order to sponsor children,

          • Sientje Seinen says:

            your country is not very well liked abroad, a long way from what it used to be like when people looked to America, now America has grown arrogant and has forgotten where its blessings came from

          • 1GreekAmericanWoman1 says:

            Yeah, that’s why EVERYONE WISHES they can be here. Why would we care about ignorant people like you thinks about us! Go back to your cave!

          • Sientje Seinen says:

            except muslims whom you already have voted into office and whom wants to live in country that soon be under sharia law?

          • 1GreekAmericanWoman1 says:

            Your ignorance is showing again. We have so many people who want to come here that we are considering walls. Not that many want to come to your country. “…soon to be under sharia law”, the ignorance is strong with you. Our President is one of the best in recent history. Intelligent people understand he is not a Muslim, but a Christian. Our country welcomes ALL people and religions, even hateful ignorant people such as yourself. But since you are not from here, you would not understand democracy. Too bad for you.

          • Roxene Kimes says:

            Investigations? What a joke. We as a nation have lost our will to hold ANYONE accountable. When there is only opinion and no truth and no lines drawn – there is NO ACCOUNTING! What do you think political correctness IS? It is the death of TRUTH period. Truth is like art = it DEMANDS a line be drawn somewhere. WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE should be the motto of the libtards who will draw no lines anywhere for anyone. They want to make freedom of conscience into the freedom from EVEN KNOWING WHAT A CONSCIENCE >IS<!

          • jericho says:

            You and your caps lock didn’t answer my question.

          • justcurious says:

            Roxene… So you are ok with us handing over George W. and Cheney to the UN and the Hague for war crimes? Many families ( American and Iraqi) paid the ultimate price for lies, and oil profits.) How about those Black Water mercenaries?

          • Nancy Gagne Walton says:

            Under Dubya, there were four attacks on embassies, with a body count on 14. What investigations were there for those atrocities? None! EVERYONE who does embassy duty, from the embassador down to the Marines who guard the doors realize they are going into HARM’S WAY. They know that their safety is NOT guaranteed, and that they could die in the line of duty just by being there. Hillary saying “what difference” amounted shutting the barn door after the horse is gone. When something is done like what happened in Benghazi, there is no going back in time to change the outcome is what she was saying.

          • Maxine Kulhanek says:

            And if these clowns want to get down and dirty about Benghazi why aren’t we all demanding to look back on the 13 Embassy attacks during the Bush era?? And more Americans killed.Hillary was sick to learn of the death of these guys Why are we not asking to see all of their e-mails and correspondence related to this criminal act? They would rather send our young Men and Women to war to be killed or come home with injuries that will last them and their families the rest of their lives.

          • Maxine Kulhanek says:

            The criminal act I was referring to was the Seditious Letter by the 47 GOP Senators. And the correspondence and e-mails of those 47.

          • foxexploder says:

            Thats pure B.S. Proven Bunk by Republican Investigations.
            So, Just shut your lying trap already!
            Termite!

          • Ellen says:

            I should shut up because you cannot handle a discussion or a dissenting voice? You can kiss Hillary’s big a— for all I care. It is your choice. But please, care a bit about your country and it’s legal people, especially overseas. If I am a termite, then you are a moron.

          • Melinda Arlette Pace-Padfield says:

            The State Department asked Congress for more security funding prior to the attack on this outpost in Libya. Congress denied the request. Why are we blaming Hillary for this?

          • HomeSweet12 says:

            The four Americans were killed for the same reason all government workers and military records were hacked just this pass week.

            “You” voted in Republicans to sabotage our government and they are doing exactly what you sent them there to do.

            You want to blame someone for Mr Stevens’ death go look in the mirror. The blame is squarely on you and the Republicans you sent to Washington out of bigotry and hate.

          • 1GreekAmericanWoman1 says:

            well said!

          • Sientje Seinen says:

            Did anyone ever find out what was in those emails that Hillary so timely deleted?

        • hangdogit says:

          BENGHAZI! huh?

          Even if Hillary did nothing in her entire life, that is way better that the Klown Kar idiots trying to beat her: they are actively engaged in the destruction of the middle class and the enrichment of their 1% donors.

          • foxexploder says:

            Hillary was found “Guiltless” by the very Republican witch hunters that held their fake tribunal! They had no choice, because she was “Blameless”!! Get it Butt holes!

          • hangdogit says:

            True. I forgot about that for the moment (it is so rare that the GOP tells the truth).

          • Ellen says:

            I guess, a person who does not do anything will always be found “blameless”. She can just lie and lie, like the bombs falling on them as she was disembarking from the plane and her grandparents were immigrants (legally hopefully) ,but there will still be people routing for her. Wake up and smell the corruption. You probably voted for Obama too.

          • foxexploder says:

            The Ambassador was offered more security and “turned it down”. First because it interfered with his mission and second “it would not have been enough” Congress cut the State Dept’s Security budgets and the enemy would just have more reasons to gather up more men to attack. BECAUSE WE WOULD HAVE BECOME A MILITARY OUTPOST INSTEAD OF A POLITICAL AND COMMERCE ARM!
            Your all sounding like that lying moron Mark Levine! Who wouldn’t know a fact from a cow turd!

          • Ellen says:

            All of that may be true. So they left him vulnerable to any and all attacks. Which actually happened. And his body was dragged in the streets. And the most powerful country in the world did nothing. Where was Hillary and the rest of them?

          • jericho says:

            So tell us which one of the GOP clown show is going to present a better choice than Hillary.

            Just for the record, I don’t like Hillary and never have…but this crop of GOPers is just as embarrassing and awful as the ones in 2012. So tell us who from the Republicans has a chance.

          • Ellen says:

            Maybe Scott Walker, if he is a Republican. But not Hillary. So far her record for looking out for the country and the legal Americans has been zilch. So, if you do not like Hillary why stand up for her? I voted for her when she ran for President before. I had high hopes for her. Now, it turns out she would have been a bad choice. I am glad she did not win. And hope she will not win.

          • Roxene Kimes says:

            Ellen. Stop already. You MUST consider the source.

          • Ellen says:

            So a person who does not or will not do anything will make a great president for the great USA? How stupid can you be. People who “beats” her are no idiots. They are the ones with sense and are standing up for our country and the legal Americans. Wise up, young man!

        • foxexploder says:

          She did a “Great” job as Secretary of State!
          If you listen to what the Heads of other Countries think!

          Or, do you only get your information on the World fed to you by Limpballs and Hanniky through an enema tube!

          As she did as Governor of New York. She’s been good at everything, all her life! Bill tried to get her to drop him because “she’s always been smarter than me” and had more potential~

          • Ellen says:

            I am not a New Yorker so I cannot dispute your idea that she was a good governor of New York. As you can see I do not think she did a great job at all as Secretary of State. This is what we have been arguing about. And already 2 lies has been recorded and proved. What else is she or will she be lying about? Her husband’s opinion is her husband’s opinion. Not mine. She may be smart but she may not have sense enough to defend our country. Or do the right thing for our country and the legal people. Not just deflect blame on herself. Action,. not excuses. Even if action fails, at least something was done. Get the drift?

          • jericho says:

            Hillary was Governor of New York? News to me.

          • cecilia says:

            Senator

      • Jack Engle says:

        Sanders 2016!
        Check him out, you may find you like what he has been saying.

        • hangdogit says:

          I follow Sanders pretty closely, and like him. He says things that Hillary can’t or won’t — like the US has a “rigged economy” where money flows to the top like a river.

          I may vote for Sanders in the Primary — or maybe switch parties and vote for Trump — not because I like him (I don’t), but because he is wrecking the GOP from within. My best hope is that he runs third party and the Democrat carries 45 states or so.

        • Andi Anderson says:

          Nope, I hate his stance on guns and his past votes against the Brady bill and against the Amber alert.

    • Ellen says:

      It is a life, NOT a choice.

    • TREY says:

      Let’s just deconstruct every liberal argument for abortion to save time.

      1.
      A fetus is not a child. This is a blatant lie and ignores science. A
      fetus contains human dna , is a unique organism and is “alive.”By all
      the standards we currently have in modern molecular biology, life begins
      at conception.

      2. “My body, my choice.” An unborn child is independent of the mother and it kills a unique individual.

      3.
      “It’s just a blob of tissue.” This is a thinly veiled attempt to
      dehumanize a child to make it mentally easier to commit murder. To be
      “technical” we are all just blobs of tissue.

      4.
      “Abortion is a woman’s right.” We have the rights to life, liberty, and
      pursuit of happiness.A child has a natural right to life. Your life is
      not more important than another persons nor is your “convenience” more
      important than a child’s life. Remember that only 2% of all abortions
      are because of rape. That leaves the other 98% because someone didn’t
      want to take responsibility for their actions, and refuses to be an
      adult.

      5.
      “It is needed to prevent over population.” Current birthrate in the US
      is 1.9. That is actually less than the rate needed to replenish the
      population , 2.1. In other countries it is even lower.

      6. “Abortion is needed for rape victims”.
      We do not even kill rapists. Why is it morally acceptable to kill a child for a crime it did not commit?

      7. “Abortion is needed to help prevent poverty.”
      This
      is another nonsense argument. If we follow this flawed logic we should
      legalize euthanasia for toddlers , teenagers, and the elderly since they
      can become a financial burden.

      All
      of the above arguments are made from a position of selfishness. The
      arguments are flawed, ignore science and deny the basic right to life
      enjoyed by all living things. Let’s also not forget that women can give
      up children for adoption at ANY time, drop off a child at fire stations,
      police stations, churches, up to two weeks after giving birth NO
      QUESTIONS ASKED. Society has made it easy for mothers to give up all
      rights and responsibility when it comes to a child and yet liberals keep
      pushing the culture of death……

    • Sientje Seinen says:

      what rights are you talking about, like in Ontario “to bare you nipple?” the more you stand on rights the sooner you will have a dictatorship, wish you luck,

    • VelikaBuna says:

      Awsome, every child should be given right to be born.

  • John Davis says:

    Probably America’s next president.

  • jeani says:

    Hilliary, 2016!!!

  • dezaad says:

    Other than possible health risks to the woman, why do people think abortion should be rare?

    • Beaugrand_RTMC says:

      With proper access to contraceptives, it would be rare.

      • Mama62 says:

        Because it is a traumatic physical and emotional experience that is best avoided when possible, it is a medical procedure just like all surgical procedures Has risks. Much better to avoid the need with good education and access to contraception. However in the end, it is a choice that should remain legal and as safe as possible for all Women.

        • cecilia says:

          Actually, being pregnant when you don’t want to be is WAY more traumatic than getting an abortion.

          What one feels after an abortion is RELIEF.

          • Vicky Walker says:

            Not always a relief. I have known women who had abortions decades ago and still live with guilt. But we still need to keep abortion legal because there will always be abortion so its best to keep it safe.

          • da_Buddha says:

            There is a darn good chance that *most* women who claim to feel an unusual amount of “guilt” or regret are feeling that way because (unfortunately) society EXPECTS them to feel regret, guilt, and remorse for the choice they made. Much the same as legitimate rape victims are often made to feel blame, guilt and “forever damaged”. Society imposes a LOT of these negative, hurtful guilt trips on women/females…starting immediately at puberty and their earliest sexual activity, right through to menopause. It’s all about CONTROL over women and their sexuality.

        • Expatmom says:

          Only some abortions are surgical. Others are very simple–a miscarriage triggered by oral medication.

        • catseye says:

          Thing of it is, a safe. legal first-trimester abortion is 14 times safer than carrying and giving birth.

    • Melissa Jackson says:

      Because it is not the IDEAL situation. It is better to prevent unwanted pregnancies BEFORE it is necessary to terminate them. The way to do this is through widely-available and ACCURATE sexual health instruction, and readily and openly available contraception.

  • Patrick King says:

    Where I disagree with her is in “respecting” their passionately held views. Superstition should be ridiculed, not respected. There is not one logical reason for that fool’s point of view. It is based exclusively on a postulated “spirit” that rules the world.

    • DailyAlice says:

      There is no biblical support for abortion prevention.

      • LadyeCatte says:

        Not only that, but Christians refuse to acknowledge that the bible actually commanded it, more in what was NOT said rather than what was said:

        The Fall of Jericho, “God’s Army” was ordered to kill every living person in the city. EVERY ONE. It’s a ridiculous stretch of the imagination to pretend there were NO pregnant women there at the time. (Though I gotta say I hurt to think of the infants and toddlers that had to be there, too.) Same for Sodom and Gomorrah (if you believe in that nonsense).

        But maybe they think abortions should be allowed only if they’re not the woman’s choice.

        • DailyAlice says:

          It is foolish to find too much meaning in Old Testament legends. They do not represent the word of God.

          • AmyHerrmann says:

            Seriously? The entire Bible is considered the inerrant Word of God. It’s not just the New Testament.

          • DailyAlice says:

            Keep up. Mainstream religions are not into “inerrant.” Or are you an expert on what educated church members of educated parishes believe today? Atheists bash “Christians” with believing every syllable of the Torah. Guess what: the smart ones don’t.

          • AmyHerrmann says:

            Did I say I did? Most Prostestants do. They interpret the entire Bible literally. All Christain sects that I’ve ever studied consider the entire Bible Word of God, even if it’s not interpreted literally. Got it?

          • DailyAlice says:

            Did I say you did what? I am a Lutheran, and I know perfectly well that protestant theology allows enormous leeway in interpretation. And I know the bible does not support abortion. And your final pronouncement on “Christain” sects seems contradictory to me. So, no, I don’t get it. We believe that the bible *contains* the word of God as a cradle contains an infant.

      • Jeff says:

        “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.” Jeremiah 1:5. In other words, the baby in the womb is a person. Combine that with the 10 commandments, “though shall not kill”.

        • Sherri G says:

          Can’t remember the verse but its the one where they were told to do a headcount starting with infants of no less than ONE MONTH OLD….oh here it is….

          “Number every firstborn male of the sons of Israel from a month old and upward, and make a list of their names.” Numbers 3:40; “and all the firstborn males by the number of names from a month old and upward, for their numbered men were 22,273.” Numbers 3:43

          • AmyHerrmann says:

            What does that have to with anything? Oh, yes – nothing. One month old infants have already been born, in case you didn’t know.

        • DailyAlice says:

          I presume you mean “thou shalt not kill.” That message was directed toward a specific prophet. And, as I say, it is easy to put words into God’s mouth. We must remember that, during that long-ago time, women and children were essentially considered as property. If someone injured a pregnant woman so as to harm the child, he had to pay a fine. He wasn’t shamed or stoned.

        • birth control is NOT murder says:

          What “you” are saying is that “you” are a spirit outside the body that should this body (fetus) fail to reach full term by whatever means, said spirit shall search and find another willing vessel to take the spirit to be born unto the earth, and so it goes until the spirit fulfills that which it is moved to carry out until such time as it releases itself into the atmosphere..as free particles of space…la tee da

    • birth control is NOT murder says:

      And i ridicule the postulating fool who speaks himself of superstition riding on the wings of the spirit that which rules the world

  • Greg Donley says:

    No one should have the power to take a life when they are not in jeopardy of losing their own life.

  • Shepardwong says:

    These people who want to restrict or abolish abortions should realize that by imposing these restrictions won’t stop abortions. They’ll still take place, but instead of in hospitals or clinics they’ll be performed in not so sterile back rooms in secret where the risk of infection or worse will increase. If a woman wants to terminate a pregnancy she’ll find a way to do it as it’s her body and no law is ultimately going to influence what she can and cannot do.

    • J Hall says:

      Solution: Underground women’s reproductive services run at a high standard, financially supported from donations from thousands of people. I believe it would be easy to get these donations. I’ve always thought this was a good idea, as well: Here in the U.S., where you have a State that has closed all of the reproductive clinics, open up new ones just across the border in neighboring States. Advertise them in the States without these services available.

      The real solution, however, is to convince the so-called “pro-lifers” to just mind their own business, lest a movement begins to stymie their own freedoms. It can happen.

    • piper says:

      its not her body that she is murdering….its her child’s.

      • DailyAlice says:

        If a woman is prompt about getting an abortion during the first couple of months of her pregnancy, it is not a viable body that she is eliminating. If she is able to secure the “morning after” pill, it’s only a few cells.

      • Margaret Kaufman says:

        Are you going to take in all the babies that cannot be kept because of age, monetary, just plain cannot do it? You have a home large enough? So I guess the answer is no? Then please move aside and let responsible women decide for themselves. You are not asked to have an abortion.

        • Nick25 says:

          What kind of completely insane and #$#^-up world do you have to live
          in to think it’s somehow noble to KILL and infant in the womb that’s
          suppose to be the safest place on the planet? You people are truly
          disgusting, disgusting on the level of N*zi and demon worship

          • AmyHerrmann says:

            Noble? What are you nattering about? It’s not noble, but it may be necessary. Who are you to judge? Are you God? No one is killing infants.

          • Nick25 says:

            Calling murder, murder is not a judgement.

          • catseye says:

            Calling SELF-DEFENSE “murder” absolutely IS.

          • Rachel Tyrel says:

            Really?

            Because that’s what WE think about YOU. Evil, Nazis, perpetually up in some stranger’s vagina because they can’t mind their own businesses.

            Look, we’re very sorry that mommy didn’t pay enough attention to you during your childhood, but the answer is not protesting at abortion clinics or spewing what amounts to hate-speech on the internet.

            We actually feel sorry for you, because only someone who was psychologically abused as a child would believe that the womb is supposed to be the safest place for anyone to be. I’m sorry for whatever your mother did (or failed to do) to you, but you’re a textbook example of the type of crazy who is acting out his childhood trauma on ALL women.

          • Nick25 says:

            Only in the feeble and irreparably damaged brain (from “Progressiveness” and liberalism) can you take a baby before it’s born chemically burn it to death or rip it apart limb from limb at a point it can easily survive out of the womb and NOT call that murder and perverse depravity. You lefties would make Adolf smile. You evil, evil demons.

          • Rachel Tyrel says:

            A foetus is not a baby, and a clump of cells is not a “child.” Yet, after the delivery and birth, you and your ilk could not care less about what happens to the very same foetuses you claim to care so deeply about.

            Why not turn all of your pent-up rage toward helping all the children in the foster care system, who ended up there because their parents had them when the parents were too young and not able to care for them?

            You folks like to call Progressives names (and bomb us, spit at us, and threaten to kill us), but we all know who is truly evil in this scenario.

          • Nick25 says:

            Another “progressive” canard. It’s not my responsibility to take care of another irresponsible person. How about don’t get pregnant? How “war on women” of me, huh? And how do you know what I do????? You are a pathetic wretch that wants the protection of a barbaric practice analogous to the holocaust so you can hold on to your infantile notion of “feminism,” and “women’s right” and all that bs garbage. You are an evil, evil broad.

          • Nick25 says:

            …and no conservative “bombed,” or “spit” on anyone– that’s your grotesque side’s MO.

          • catseye says:

            Riiiiiiight…..Just a few weeks ago, the last remaining family-planning clinic in Mississippi was trashed by YOUR TERRORIST RAPISTS.

          • mjhoop says:

            Obsession with “evil.” Check.
            Obsession with demons. Check
            Obsession with depravity. Check

            Think maybe you need some help? Check.

  • Bruce Brown says:

    She meant more like a third world theocracy than it alraedy is. A place where people actually have to constantly fight for the rights that they were granted over 2 centuries ago.

  • Michael Wright says:

    Ms Clinton is absolutely correct to defend Women’s Safety and Rights. Her views are that of the Democratic Party which the Republican Party is adversely against. The Republicans are also against Pay Inequality for Women and let’s not forget their support of the Glass Ceiling because Men are just better to them. What I find amazing, “is why would any Woman in the United States, based on these facts, ever vote Republican, because they are actually voting against themselves and other Women” ??!!

    • suziel813 says:

      thank you, michael. there is too much involvement with the republican attitudes when it comes to us women. i believe that women who vote against themselves, do not have self esteem, live in abusive relationships, and are being led around like puppets. they do not respect themselves as women. it is time to go forward and show women that their rights have been violated since the beginning of time. as far as hillary being too old for the presidency, that is just wrong. again, a woman of her stature is being taken to the ground and beat up on. she is a woman of honor and she cares about everyone, male and female. she has evolved when it comes to the rights of all americans, including the gay community. she has helped our america to solve problems with other countries. she is a humanitarian. it is nice to see that not all men are misogynist, as yourself. men need to respect women. as they also want respect in return. the old men on the hill in congress feel they are capable of doing what needs to be done. i really do not see that. they have issues of grandeur. they need to be stopped. it is vital for women and their health and welfare. it is vital for men as well. they are definitely giving men a bad name. again, thank you.

  • ddconn says:

    Way to go Hillary!

  • Pennsylvanianne says:

    Hillary Clinton is the most intelligent, in-depth person in the race. Period.

  • Mark says:

    it’s going to be fun watching an intelligent women go up against the republican clowns, especially in the debates. Can’t wait!

  • Nick25 says:

    Ahhhh…. the right to infanticide….Ya gotta LOVE you demonic liberal “progressive” democrats. Pigs

    • Kenji says:

      Hit a nerve, bully?

    • DailyAlice says:

      It’s not as though someone was leaving a living infant somewhere to suffer and die. Oh–wait–that has been known to happen. Infanticide committed by women/girls who couldn’t get abortions.

    • Margaret Kaufman says:

      Get a uterus and we will have a discussion, oh, I see, you are just a name caller. Please forget the discussion.

      • Nick25 says:

        An infantile, diversion of an argument. I’ll bet my scr0tum you’re
        one of those “save the planet,” “save the whales,” nuts- arncha?????How
        about if “you just can’t do it,” don’t get pregnant- now that’s a
        responsible novel idea, isn’t it???? Calling killing your own flesh and
        blood in the womb responsible is sociopathic.

  • Dawn Alhwayan says:

    Drops microphone……bam!!

  • Robyn Ryan says:

    Religion has no place in government.

  • GetReal says:

    Safe, legal, and rare. Exactly my thoughts.

  • James Maseo Brown says:

    Thank you Hillary !!!!

  • Cthulhu says:

    You want to limit abortions? Make Birth control and BC education openly available, and cover ALL subjects. Not this “Abstinence Only” bullshit. Also, get the religion OUT of the discussion. It has no place in it, and only causes problems.

  • Betsy Fenik says:

    The restriction of abortion and birth control is just another way to control women wrapped in a cloak of “righteousness” and religion. We are not fooled and will not be controlled.

  • Jacob says:

    Having to reach back, half a decade to find a decent sound bite from over the Hillary is just stupid. How can this be considered news?

  • Jacob says:

    Also, all of these people say “keep your laws off my body” but demand public funding… How hypocritical. Lol

    • birth control is NOT murder says:

      Well then, do your part and promote education and anti rape campaigns because your daughter/wife might need that funding. Lol

  • MoMo says:

    For those of you opposed to all abortion—explain to us how you would deal with the nine-year-old CHILD who is currently carrying the fetus of ONE of her rapists.

  • Annie Cook says:

    You know what. We killed a million people in Iraq, INCLUDING CHILDREN. We destroyed a hug percentage of their population. Do you only care about the unborn?

    • mjhoop says:

      got to have been some pregnant women w/ unborn babies in the kill numbers…….
      But nobody picketed the white house (that I know of) over this issue…..
      I would have been good for the country to have all the killers of unborn babies called out and punished….next, all the people who killed the already born Iraqs……. Would have been good for military morale, wouldn’t it?

  • Murph says:

    I’m generally pretty liberal, but on abortion, I don’t really feel comfortable killing an unborn child, obviously except in cases of rape, incest, or a threat to the mother’s health. However, the difference between me and traditional pro-lifers is I support more universal access to birth control and welfare programs for the mother and child after it is born.

    • Nick25 says:

      Abortion is a sacred sacrament to liberals. You’re a conservative, you’ve just been seduced by the insanity of liberal ideology. It’s a sickness, but there is hope for you.

      • AmyHerrmann says:

        You really have no clue. It’s so sad that you feel the need to demonize people that don’t agree with you.

        • Nick25 says:

          Baby murders are the ultimate “people” to demonize.

          • AmyHerrmann says:

            Yes, they are. Good thing I’ve never murdered one or supported the same.

          • Nick25 says:

            Only in the feeble and irreparably damaged brain (from “Progressiveness” and liberalism)
            can you take a baby before it’s born chemically burn it to death or rip
            it apart limb from limb at a point it can easily survive out of the womb
            and NOT call that murder and perverse depravity. You lefties would
            make Adolf smile. You evil, evil demons.

            Y’all are warped and depraved.

          • birth control is NOT murder says:

            you are quite liberal with your ignorance and obsession with the fetus. you might avoid looking in mirrors if chemical burns and torn limbs are unsightly

          • Nick25 says:

            I am liberal in NOTHING. It’s a disease

          • birth control is NOT murder says:

            You are liberal in disease then

    • Helen Damnation says:

      Well Murph, if you feel that strongly about abortions, I agree with you. Don’t have one! And keep your opinions about other women’s (and mine) healthcare to yourself! We don’t care what you think!

  • splashy79 says:

    Yes, the practical thing is to help girls and women control their reproduction, so they and any children they bear can live happy healthy lives. Keeping everyone ignorant and unhealthy leads to suffering and death, for no good reason.

  • TheDistrict says:

    He’s not a Senator, he’s a member of the House.

  • Bailey Nix says:

    While not strictly ainti- abortion I always wondered why not just get on the pill? This is a question I’ve never asked, do not take it wrong ..
    I do not support hillary because I can’t trust her, and her gun stance, her hiding things rather than just being honest. .
    Abortion was legal until the 1880s and though I am a conservative Christian , I am also a Constitutionalist, so I respect the womans choice..If it was intended to be banned, it would have been done long before 1880. .So despite personal views, it should be a dead issue..No one seems to bring that up..
    also gay marriage was not outlawed until the 1950s. There was 1 case of gay marriage I found before that time therefore as a Constitutionalist, again I say if they wanted it banned it would have been done long before, despite my personal views on the issue..
    However , I also believe some sort of compromise needs to be made for moral objectivity to certain activities some do not wish to participate. .Maybe subcontractors or something like that..who knows, but to force inequality on one to make another more equal, is not liberty, but tyranny. .

  • Fedup2352 says:

    We need to stop calling people Pro-Life, they are Anti-Choice. An earlier post said it perfectly.. These disgusting people with their vile signs outside clinics are the Christian version of the Taliban or ISIS. The world has no place for these religious fanatics.

  • Diane Schips says:

    Did you note the tail end, after Hillary was done? “The time of the gentleman has expired”. This is part of the problem. Our language, protocols and procedures too often treat women as though we’re a fringe case, instead of just over half the population entitled to equal participation and equal representation.

  • Swift2 says:

    The great majority of abortions are done in the first trimester. When it’s done later, it’s almost always because there’s a big problem for the health of the mother. Your religion or ethical standard may be different, and you have every right to have a Duggar family if you wish. Get your mind out of other people’s wombs.

  • GotScience says:

    Wow! What a rambling windbag this Paul character is!!! It is amazing what rabble people will vote for, and then the elected cretins get to blather on and on and on; after that their offspring get to eviscerate commonsense and education and make pathetically hilarious pronouncements. The tyranny of the imbecile is strong.

  • Leo M. Mara says:

    Bury him baby! You need to continue with and build on what Democrats have accomplished. As President you will. Thank you for your efforts and sacrifices. We love you.

    • AJ Green says:

      You mean like raising are debt ceiling? Oh, and she did sacrifice SOMETHING, but not something of her own. She let 4 people die in Benghazi and then lied about it. Then she asks why it even matters? She doesn’t deserve ONE vote.

      • Leo M. Mara says:

        But, she will be the next president of our United States.

      • Mr R V Fernandez Sr says:

        AJ, you’re a neanderthal, worse yet, a person who likes to be led and not able to make an intelligent analysis of the facts on your own. Give it a rest buddy you’re outclassed.

      • Leo M. Mara says:

        Can’t you find something truthful and relevant to lie about? Oh, that’s right you don’t know these are lies because you get your information from Faux Noise.

  • Michelle S says:

    Hillary Clinton’s response was awesome.If YOU don’t want an abortion YOU HAVE THE RIGHT to not get one. Stop forcing your hateful religion on me. YOUR religion is YOUR CHOICE! Respect mine.

  • MeeU MeeU says:

    Thank you Hillary – for standing up and being clear about what you stand for. I’m voting for you. keep up the good work. Pro – Choice FTW! I’m so tried of these nut jobs trying to tell everyone that there freedoms should be taken away becasue of there own religion and view point.

  • MeeU MeeU says:

    Thoughts kill faster then abortions do lady.

  • George Kaplan says:

    “The time of the Gentleman has expired.”

    (Mic drop)

  • 1968_Camaro says:

    I agree. Conservatism is not compatible with Christianity. Conservatism is founded on greed, selfishness and a callous disregard for our planet, which sustains all of our lives. One who claims to be pro life on one hand but then supports actions that despoil our planet for future generations, is NOT truly pro life. Jesus was a liberal.

  • groversyck says:

    The republicans have had enough contact with Hillary that they are scared to death at the thought of her being president. After every contact, they feel like a paper doll after a run in with an ill tempered Siamese cat; cut to ribbons, and they do not know how bad it is until they look in the mirror.

  • groversyck says:

    Tom, as you said, “i’m a male, and i’m Catholic”, and you are also severely delusional.

    • tom says:

      @groversyck. you must have incredible credentials. what medical degrees have you acquired to diagnose me? if i was delusional, i wouldn’t have been able to have a career in the tel. co. 36 yrs, concert pianist, second career studying to be a court reporter. may i look you up later on in life when dementia and alzheimers may set in?

  • Jack Rivera says:

    You seem to miss the part where we respect your beliefs. No one is criticizing you. no one is trying to change your mind.
    What we do mind , is forcing your religion on the rest of us, through legislation.
    women have a right to reproductive health. regardless of what they choose to do. It’s nobody’s business except the woman, and her doctor.

    • catseye says:

      I see ABSOLUTELY _ZERO_ reason to “respect” the belief that I and other women are nothing but mindless incubators whose health and lives are to be endangered at a whim by some clueless SUPPOSED-to-be-celibate men in dresses who don’t even have FAMILIES

      • Jacob says:

        And why should your beliefs on the subject that your life is more important than anyone else’s, be respected? It’s clear by your calous disregard for life that you have no family. Or shouldn’t considering you’d murder them if it was convenient for you.

        • catseye says:

          YOU PEOPLE are the ones with the “calous” (sic) disregard for the lives of WOMEN. ALL abortions are either an act of MERCY for a fetus too deformed to survive, of an act of SELF-DEFENSE.

    • tom says:

      jack! i thank you for your dialogue. i thank you more for you respecting me, and it shows in your ‘tone of voice.’ i so agree with you, and no, i’m not pushing my religion on anyone. that is where i am different. maybe i didn’t make myself clear. mankind has a choice. i just think abortion is heinous, and i will admit, i cry at the thought of it and have done so. i just do not know how a woman can even conceive of killing a baby. male/female = human. sperm/egg = human, therefore, it creates a human being at conception. so beautiful. i have a lawyer friend, and stuff like this is discussed. that is no law regard ing abortion, he says, only the right to privacy.

      • vcragain says:

        Abortion rights activists are generally not in favor of ‘killing babies’ either – they ARE in favor of preventing any poor woman being forced to carry and give birth to a baby that she cannot afford to care for (and YOU will not care for either once born !) – and maybe was more-or-less raped by her husband because she is not as strong as him physically or can’t argue with him and he doesn’t ‘give a sh**’ anyway – most men only care about what they want at that moment and won’t take ‘no’ for an answer, so her job is basically trying somehow to survive and take care of the children she has while surviving in a relationship that makes her just a baby-machine. We as women are all in her court – we want to help this woman make the best decisions, create the best family she can, in spite of her callous, ignorant male partner, which you seem to have no comprehension of – maybe YOU are one of the really caring men who do exist, and would help your wife to space out the babies so she doesn’t get worn out by the task (do the dishes and change diapers etc?) but most males are way to indifferent to their womenfolk to really be allowed to control this situation – sorry Tom – you have no idea what the reality is !

      • foxexploder says:

        There is no Human Being at conception, only a bunch of cells with DNA to grow one. No nervous system, no brain connection and you cannot say that Man controls babies souls, thats an Oxymoron!
        These laws only affect the poor. Rich women can travel! So its a racist law!

        • Jacob says:

          By week five the nervous system is forming, as is the spine. Week six, the baby has arm and leg buds and ears begin to develop. Don’t try to humanize or gentrify murder. You’re a pig.

          • foxexploder says:

            Pure Republican Evangelical Pseudo Science Debunked B.S.
            Nerves are not attached till 24 weeks and not read by the brain until then. No pain until then can be felt. Period, end of Story, except with Right Wing Extremist liars. This has all been shown to be Bunk. Thats why 20 weeks is too soon and messes with mothers who have bad DNA outcomes and babies without developed brains a hard time to get abortions that are needed and decided upon by the Families! The second Ultrasound test is given at 18-19 weeks leaving no time to arrange much needed abortions, by Mothers who wanted to have children but care about dying in childbirth and leaving their other children motherless. With babies that can’t survive or if they do will have multiple handicaps at best! This is the true Science and all doctors except paid hacks agree! 99.8%! Stop lying and hurting young mothers who want children. Stop creating nightmare scenario’s like No clinics to go to or safe legal care for women!
            Crawl back to your Caves and live in the mud with your false Bible.

            God did not write it. Any God would know that the Earth goes around the Sun.! So stop trying to make us all go back to a time when a wheelbarrow would have been amazing high tech.
            I know women who gave birth to dead fetus’ in a car because they couldn’t get into a hospital after 20 months. Clinics if you can find them don’t open till 8:00. What happens when labor starts at 6:00? You have your birth in the car , waiting in the parking lot for the clinic to open. If your lucky and live in a State where the scumbags haven’t closed all the Clinics on made up lies and illegal policies! Abortion is legal in early stages!

          • tom says:

            it would be ever so great that everyone could have a wonderful discussion — round table as in King Arthur days — without having to resort to smack, naming calling, vitriol, etc. discussions allow one to come to the table with information in hopes that one can leave with more information to think about. there is no need for blast each other. why is it necessary? one cannot change the other, no matter what facts are presented. if you say the sky is green, and it is orange, both people are correct. you cannot change that.

          • catseye says:

            And YOU are a rapist.

        • tom says:

          @foxexploder. that’s what man WANTS to believe, and that’s okay, sir. that’s okay. some of us do not believe that! it is not my position in life to make you believe. i would be in grave error to do so, but i am allowed to have my feelings on beliefs and defend them. the bottom line of this whole subject matter is — mankind has free choice — do whatever you want. that too, is not my position to make you even do different, so it becomes a moot point. thanks for the dialogue.

      • Clarisse73 says:

        Why don’t you trying taking a look into the lives of the many children who are born unwanted and abandoned? Many end up in foster care and may never experience the sense of belonging that comes with being a part of a loving family. Why does it always seem that those who object so strenuously to abortion, never seem to consider the lives of real, needy children?

        • tom says:

          @clarisse! good comment — thank you. the subject matter is abortion — killing. unwanted or abandoned should be a situation where it is given up for adoption or anonymously. it also goes back to responsibility — core parenting — teaching the child the beauty of conception and the responsibility that comes along with it. now that gay marriage is allowed, we have a situation at hand that would allow more leeway, or should i say, should allow, this situation for them to adopt. good discussion. thanks

          • Clarisse73 says:

            See, that’s just the thing; in your opinion, there should never, ever be any abortions for any reason. Do I have that right? Any woman who finds herself pregnant and unable or incapable of raising the child, should give the child up for abortion or anonymously (drop it at a safe drop-off spot?).
            The only problem is that you cannot force a woman to give birth, if she has determined that she is NOT going to bear the child. What then? I would prefer that she have a safe, legal abortion rather than allow her desperation to force her into an unsafe, dangerous situation.

    • Jacob says:

      Abortion has little to do with “health”, maybe in two or three percent of the cases. This is another liberal fallacy like pregnancy as a result of rape. Abortion is extremely invasive and even when done by a seasoned professional it is not safe. It’s the opposite of health care.

      • EVERYONE is born an atheist says:

        “This is another liberal fallacy like pregnancy as a result of rape.”

        Stop smoking crack.

        • foxexploder says:

          You should be tarred and feathered and run out of town. You hurt young women for no reason except bullshit makeup by hate radio and crazy right wing extremists. Not a fact present anywhere. Were all against abortions, but some use facts to make policies, while others use only false dogma!

          • EVERYONE is born an atheist says:

            You replied to MY comment, not Jacob’s comment.

          • catseye says:

            Probably a Disqus [email protected]

        • Jacob says:

          What percentage of abortions are performed because of rape? Less than one percent. You liberals have the reasoning skills of a retarded sloth.

          • EVERYONE is born an atheist says:

            So you are denying this happens? If you are you are delusional. Bottom line is your religion is your problem, not the worlds problem. You don’t dictate what a woman can do with her body, she does.

          • Jacob says:

            Since you are too stupid to both read and comprehend, I can no longer have a discussion with you. This is a discussion for adults. When you respond to what I wrote, rather than have another emotional outburst like a five year old in need of valium, then I will take you seriously.

          • EVERYONE is born an atheist says:

            Emotional outburst? Exactly where did that happen?

            I see you’re a condescending holier-than-thou internet tough guy.

          • EVERYONE is born an atheist says:

            You don’t want an abortion, then don’t get one. Worry about your own uterus.

      • foxexploder says:

        Nonsense, you talk like an ignoramus Toad! So, according to you 3% of Births should be subject to Evangelical based myths and horror? “like pregnancy as a result of rape”? Really? Your one of those morons that believe that crap about the body shuts down and can’t get pregnant during rape?
        I’m done talking to you.Morons have no place in any debate with other humans! Your pitifully ill-informed and dangerous.

        • Jacob says:

          Your English is atrocious. I’m guessing your cognitive skills and reasoning are severely lacking as well. Abortion is vile. You are a defender of murder and genocide. You are no better than ISIS terrorists.

          What percentage of abortions are performed because of rape? Less than one percent. 2-3% are for health reasons. The other 96-97% are considered elective surgery. Like having a wart removed. Don’t question my humanity when you believe the trash you do.

          • foxexploder says:

            “Murder”? You insane idiot! Its been legal for 40 years! “Genocide”?
            You really are unfit to speak in public with educated adults! Most people don’t like abortions, but, its the Women and her family’s right, not some crazy, 2000 year old fake dogma!

      • Jack Rivera says:

        Jacob, you are entitled to your opinions. But it doesn’t matter what you or any other person thinks. No one has the right to force their beliefs on any other person, no matter how much you disagree. women are smart enough to make their own reproductive choices. In other words, mind your own business.

      • cecilia says:

        says the moron who can never be pregnant.

        i can’t WAIT for science to make it possible for men to be pregnant.

  • Bluesman50349 says:

    You cannot educate a cretin with facts regardless of eloquently presented. His other missed a good bet by not having him aborted before unleashing him on the world…

  • Sonia says:

    Lol… Good luck with that. It has been proven that that will never happen lol

  • catseye says:

    Oh, of course it’s ONLY THE _DAUGHTERS_. You’re no damn different from the vicious woman-haters of ISIL.

  • catseye says:

    “The Silent Scream” was COMPLETELY discredited by film experts almost immediately after it was released.

  • Ellen says:

    God bless you. I am all for what you said. I also am a Catholic and believes a life is not created to be destroyed by those that are inconvenienced by it. Live responsibly. This will be a better world.

  • Grace N Love says:

    As someone who has studied religion over time. Read several variations of the bible, even some of those pesky deleted chapters from the bible. Learned how the bible came about, its many, many interpretations. I have come to believe that yes there was most likely a man named Jesus. And if he was the son of God and died for our sins then it was for ALL sins….those of the past and those from the present and future Including those 5000 yr old Chinese. I had same thoughts about those tribes that found in the Amazon or in Rain forests that have never heard of Jesus. or Christianity, a Jew or Muslim. So why would a almighty God kill innocent children or people that have never of him. He would not.

    • foxexploder says:

      Thats interesting, you said you studied religion for years by reading different forms of the Bible? Thats hardly a study of Religion. Since nowhere in any Bible is even one piece of evidence, only heresy an statements of people who were not there! Given different names to have you think they were written by the Apostles who were there. But, the fact has been proven that they were written over 80 years latter or more, by others! Very few people could read or write during the time Jesus was supposed to have walked the Earth. The only thing that makes on believe it could have been an actual man named Jesus,is that they created a lie to get Mary and Joseph to the proper town to satisfy the prophecy by stating they were going for the census. Research shows there was no census that year! So interestingly the only evidence is the attempt to lie him into the correct town!

  • Mr R V Fernandez Sr says:

    Whoa, sorry about that AJ. In my previous reply to a post you put up I didn’t realize you were just a young man, but that explains your distortion of the facts. Don’t listen to people spreading misinformation, check it out before you go off accusing people.Make a habit of getting it right while you’re still young and let that guide you in your future endeavors. Later

  • Mr R V Fernandez Sr says:

    And take that and stick it in your pipe and smoke it. You ask a question that you really didn’t want the answer to but got it anyway. Don’t you just love karma?

  • birth control is NOT murder says:

    the morning after pill is not murder no matter what the creationists tell you

  • birth control is NOT murder says:

    speak for yourself you self blathering idiot repugnicant

  • birth control is NOT murder says:

    Do yourself a favor, if you decide to go to college take some classes in women’s study and history cuz you have a lot to learn

  • wildwilly1111 says:

    Rep. Christopher Smith: “The laser eyes – they BURN!!!”

  • brogs65 says:

    Get it now Congressman ? brilliant !

  • Gregory Brown says:

    Yup, you are a man. If men could get pregnant this would not be an issue. On the question of respecting your beliefs, if you happen to be a Catholic woman, and oppose abortion, then by all means carry that child to term. But don’t expect all women to do the same.

    • Jacob says:

      You are a “man” too… Why is your opinion valid? Lol

      • Gregory Brown says:

        It’s not my opinion, it’s about rights, and you have no right to force your religion on me or anyone who does not believe as you do. You don’t, not yours. That’s not opinion, that’s a fact. And using lol always makes a person look stupid.

    • tom says:

      @gregory! just like everyone else, you just do not get it, nor have you really read my comment. that last sentence your wrote — ‘But don’t expect all women to do the same — are you serious? of course not. the first sentence is daft at that. the middle, spot on. it is not my position to interfere with what a woman should do. i just spoke my beliefs. the subject is moot and over.

  • foxexploder says:

    So, you would rather not see the tens of thousands of illegal abortions women suffered through before it was made safe? Hypocrite of the highest order! Pro Choice made the number of abortions go down, without big brother Government looking inside women private parts or families lives. Like prohibition, you can’t legislate morality! And, as you said Sin is an individual choice, God gave man the “right to sin” with “free will”. You think your rotten soul has the right to step in and decide for a woman? I DON’T THINK SO! Let those of you without sin, cast the first stone! Pretend false Christians make me sick, and, I am Catholic too!

    • Jacob says:

      You aren’t Catholic. You can’t be Catholic and pro choice. The Church values life, not genocide. The left is responsible for the murder of 60 million innocents.

      • Clarisse73 says:

        Stuff it, Jacob. You certainly can be Catholic and pro-choice. And really, you’re blaming all abortions on the left? You need to let some light into that tortured little mind of yours. A woman has a right to handle her personal business in whatever way she sees fit. Why? Because she knows what is best for herself and, if she decides to bear the child, SHE is the one who will be responsible for its well-being. Not a man who throws out words like “genocide” and “murder” when speaking of abortions.

      • foxexploder says:

        I run the Feast of the Assumption Festival in Little Italy every year for 30 yrs. Priests eat at my house on Sunday and play golf with my father. 95% of Catholic women take birth control and choose abortion if its necessary ( there decision) If its sin, then its their free will choice. To say that the Majority of the population of America are doing Genocide, is a sick and insane statement. To say that man has domain over the soul is Heresy! So its you who are spewing hate and are “not a Catholic”!
        “If you have not love and compassion for your neighbor, you can never enter the Kingdom of Heaven”
        This has been confirmed by the new Pope! Were all against Abortion, thats why Liberals and their thoughtful policies,under Clinton, reduced abortions by 28%! Abortions rose during Republican rule and we don’t know the true numbers! You want to destroy “safe” abortions, which don’t affect rich women, only the poor! So, your also racist and a bigot and a kicker of the poor! All, NOT CATHOLIC !

      • catseye says:

        Just like rabid-catholic, “pro-life” Adolf Hitler. And don’t forget the hundreds of thousands of people (mostly women; surprise, surprise) tortured to death by the Inquisition.

      • tom says:

        @jacob. you can’t talk to foxexploder. he is a very angry man. if you read his comments, his whole dialogue spews forth anger. you can’t talk to angry people. he doesn’t know how to come to the ‘table’ and talk. * now, re being Catholic & pro choice. i am. why? because for several reasons. God gave mankind free will. it’s that simple — do whatever you want — but is also means consequences. HE hope that you will do whatever it is out of love and kindness instead of hate and selfishness. that’s where pro choice comes in. let the women do what they want. women will do what they want anyway. look at what Eve did — even complained to God and rebelled, but i digress. re Catholicism and abortion, yes, it’s against the church. that’s where a Catholic can have opposing views like myself. i’m against it, BUT it is NOT my position to interfere with another person’s beliefs or actions. i would be in grave error. for some reason, some of these people on this discussion fail to recognize my comment — mostly women. they don’t read that i agree with pro choice. all they see is murdering, therefore going off on a tirade. thanks for the discussion.

    • tom says:

      hypocrite? let’s see. Merriam-Webster = : a person who claims or pretends to have certain beliefs about what is right but who behaves in a way that disagrees with those beliefs. * now, how is it that i BEHAVE (that’s the key word) in a different way from those beliefs? prithee, clarify. you have a lot of anger to deal with. i suggest anger management. i never yelled at you. you have, throughout this whole dialogue, spewed vitriol to every single person. i’ll make sure i go to confession this saturday like i did last week. also, i’ll say a rosary for you. enjoy your day.

  • foxexploder says:

    It doesn’t matter! We know better now! The Earth goes around the Sun, The Earth is not flat, Heaven is not just above the clouds! Evolution is proven fact! Our Founders believed in Science. They had Louis and Clark take classes in Geography, map making, etc etc Before the went to find a trail to the West! They avidly read and believed in the Revolutionary writings of Thomas Paine! The Jefferson Bible is on display, he cut most of it out!

  • Sarvepalli says:

    Damn! I’d vote for Hillary simply based on that response.

  • Roy Vanderaa says:

    I can’t believe this is still an issue. The choice for abortion is not easily made and many reasons go into it. As Hillary said,’family planning only LOWERS the levels of abortion.’ Religious zealots have NO say in what other people do. This will only occur if the republican party or forced birther churches create a fund where all cases of a forced birth will have the expenses of that child paid for through the age of 18. You can only make your own choices – you can’t force them on other people. And you can’t judge them for it. “Judge not lest you be judged.”

  • catseye says:

    Oh, FFS, LITTLE BOY; you’re only jealous b/c YOU can’t get a girl to touch you with a 10-foot pole.

  • Gregory Brown says:

    So, a question. If a woman is not a Catholic, why should she not have the right to control what happens in her own body? I would point out that in many religions around the world conception is not believed to be the beginning of personhood, and that in some religions the belief is that the soul enters the body at birth.

    • tom says:

      gregory, i have a hard time following the ‘threads’ to all these questions & answers — who answers to whom and replying to the correct person. so my reply to your comment is this: if my original comment, the very original post was read correctly, the discussion would have stopped there, but everyone has failed to see what i actually said. i said, in essence, i do not care what the F people do with their lives. it is not my position to dictate how they should live. that is the real problem of today’s society. for those who are biblically so involved in the bible, it says, ‘DO NOT meddle into other peoples’ affairs; keep clean thine own house.’ yet, no one does. God gave mankind free will — do what you want, when you want, but suffer any consequences. HE hopes one will act out of love and charity. so where have i said that she should NOT have the right. yes, I am Catholic, but i am NOT putting my views onto anyone else. at the same time, aren’t i allowed my opinion in the matter? aren’t i allowed to voice my opion without saying she doesn’t have the right? i just think abortion is one of man’s most heinous acts every committed — slaughter of the innocents. was that comment saying she should not have the right? NO. let my tears fall upon the ground as women go about their suffrage! thank you for your dialogue.

      • Gregory Brown says:

        My view is not the same as yours, but your explanation clears up a lot. Sorry that I misunderstood.

        • tom says:

          hi, gregory! it’s cool! you’re a good man! i so appreciate your dialogue; it was fun. i love talking heavy subjects. stuff like this was presented in my Culture & Society class. would you believe i was the only male? ha!

  • nanci00 says:

    Lord… THIS is the first time I saw this clip… and I LOVE IT! HILLARY, YOU GO GIRL! These man need to get out of our bedrooms and doctor offices.. Besides, women with even a little money have ALWAYS had access to a ‘needed D&C’ even before Roe v. Wade. These days a weekend trip to Costa Rica or Mexico they come back with a TAN! This Republican theme is a War against POOR Women… and that fits because every single thing they DO and every single bill they vote FOR is against the poor in this country. Forced births, then NO help for the struggling over populated family.. Yeah, that seems to be their means of keeping the rich ever RICHER, with lots of poor people willing to clean their toilets and wash their cars for minimum wage… which they are ALSO against! It is clear what the Rs are all about, to anyone with more than two working brain cells!

  • luckydoodle77 says:

    I cant understand why any female would vote for these misogynists.

  • hannalee says:

    Truthfully I’m not a big Hillary fan, though I’m voting for her and consider her a hundred times better than nearly any Republican. Yet hearing her say those things–with conviction that I feel sure is 100 percent sincere–and knowing how really important “women’s issues” are to the world, today more than any other time… all that… I think I finally see the potential that a President H Clinton could have to shake the world up and start a much more hopeful time for women and equally as much for men and children, because there is nothing that will benefit us all more than the education of women and help for women worldwide. I feel much more hopeful about Hillary’s campaign having seen this. Abortion is only a small part of the picture–that is, a small but crucial part.

  • Roxene Kimes says:

    Great point Tami!

  • Roxene Kimes says:

    Actually the trick is to toss your TV period Chuck baby. Get away from the entertainment. The left and right is mostly just the distraction that is allowing those who are REALLY running things (with our money) to do it 100% covertly. While you are part of the gullible dialectic you will not know it until you have been synthesized.

  • Cathryn Sykes says:

    Anti-abortion laws don’t stop abortions. They just send us back to the days when young girls threw themselves down flights of stairs, or drank bleach or stuck knitting needles up inside their uteri. Or scraped up enough money to go down a dirty dark alley to a dirty dark room where someone who’d been kicked out of medical school was waiting….

  • Michael Doyle says:

    I fully support Women’s rights to choose for themselves, their own reproductive options.

  • Ricardo Rebelo says:

    Our cuckqueen has been silent so the libtards have to recycle old statements

  • Sientje Seinen says:

    I cant believe that America has become a country of heathens, See what happens whenyou take prayers out of the schools, In Canada it is the same with the taxpayers funding the killing of the child within. So why are there not stiffer penalties for those who rape children? Where are the parents whom dont keep a watch over their kids? Seems that everyone has lost control. teach your child tae kwan do or something in order to defend themselves against the predators?

  • Sientje Seinen says:

    why not How do priest keep celibate all their lives? anyway you should at least wait until you are married and make an honest person of your girlfriend.

    • Josh Smith says:

      Priests aren’t celibate! They have affairs and rape children! Religions of the world are the root of almost all wars. People need to mind there own dam business. Children starve all over the world everyday, where’s your outrage there. Our government sends our tax dollars to Saudi Arabia, who Sponsors terrorism, but no outrage there either. Get a life and stop forcing your beliefs on others. People like you make me never ever want to step foot back into a church full of finatical retards!

      • Sientje Seinen says:

        not every church has priests, there are decent churches whom dont perform homosexual perverted marriages, and you could write your congress man to withold your taxes if they are not spend wisely in the interest of all Americans or to help the poor among your own people.

        • Dee54 says:

          Catholics don’t perform gay marriages but they have had no problem raping children have they?

          • Sientje Seinen says:

            ha, there are many homosexual catholic priest in the roman catholic church, they are either living with their housekeeper, are alcoholics or have homosexual tendencies. and Rome doesnt excommunicate anyone whom votes for gay marriages as some Roman catholic leaders have even brought it in and voted for same.

      • Sientje Seinen says:

        and promoting homosexuality is not forcing their perverted lifestyle on others or the view “there is no god” is that not imposed on the public also? and why not write your congressmen to spend your tax dollars at home and get people of food stamps, charity begins at home I have been told.

    • Carson Mcclinton says:

      Celibate Priest molest little boys and girls!

    • Autismmomx4 says:

      They don’t. Hence the rape problem in the churches,

    • Nancy Gagne Walton says:

      Priests just bugger little boys so they won’t get anyone pregnant!

  • cecilia says:

    abortions and gay people have NOTHING to do with the selfish scum who rape. And I don’t get my ethics from the government….too bad you are so weak that you do

  • Middleoftheinterstate says:

    I as a Man, have NO BUSINESS telling a Woman what to do with HER body. Case Closed.

  • Sientje Seinen says:

    well if you want to do that then find yourself a nice decent girl and marry her, why get someone in the family way of life and let others pay for your recklessness?

    • Patrick King says:

      Apparently you have no sexual experience so you’re naive as well as physically impaired. FYI, being with one partner is extremely boring for healthy people.

      • Sientje Seinen says:

        of course you must be related to those tribes in Africa whom think like you do, and share their diseases among themselves.

  • cecilia says:

    I was just fine with human beings who love each other getting married LONG before anyone in the government had an opinion about it….THEY are the ones late to the party.

    The fact that it seems to upset YOU means you are jealous that others are honest and willing to live their lives openly. Something you clearly are incapable of doing.

    Like the uptight, fridge nuns I knew in school you clearly hate your life. What they used to do was bully everyone they considered weaker than them – ie, school kids. The best you can do is come online and vent your personal frustrations. Fortunately, we are all adults here and just find you pathetic.

    come put of the closet.

    • Sientje Seinen says:

      priests had underground passage to the nuns abode didnt you know, no wonder they were uptight. and no you are the one disobeying the Lord God and hating everyone whom does not agree to your wicked lifestyle, G-d has forbidden same and Christ suffered greatly on Calvary for same to reconcile us to the lord God, why do you provoke Him to anger and bring the wrath of God upon yourself and america?

      • cecilia says:

        ? what “wicked lifestyle” ??

        being an artist?

        helping my family ??

        I’m driving my brother to the doctor tomorrow….THAT “wicked lifestyle” ??

        you are one wacka-doodle

        and I can’t cause a creature that doesn’t exist to get mad … that makes no sense.

      • Jack Engle says:

        Once again, you have a right to your opinions but no right to try and impose them on others.

        • Sientje Seinen says:

          the same goes for everyone dont you agree, we dont want sexual orientation in the schools and isnt that imposed on the children, why not let children be children, they grow up soon enough.

  • Sheila Trudeau says:

    Go Hillary!!

  • ZeaL says:

    I love how asking that people are individually allowed to make a choice becomes other people’s burden to moralize. Don’t like gay married? Don’t do it. Don’t like abortions? Don’t get one. Like church? I’m not going to stop you from going to one, because, guess what? NOT MY BUSINESS. If I chose to get 50 abortions or no abortions, or marry someone I love, regardless of their sex/gender, it’s NOT your business. If there is a Hell, and these are my sins, I’ll TAKE it, because *I* made the choice. I don’t need you fools to save me. It’s between me and my god, not you and your opinion of what a bible says.

  • Nancy Gagne Walton says:

    You keep saying “Your” government… Why don’t you keep your remarks out of “OUR” government?

  • Nancy Gagne Walton says:

    Besides that, we don’t HAVE a parliament!

  • Nancy Gagne Walton says:

    Sientje is a Canadian, so she feels she can criticize us and our government all she wants.

  • TREY says:

    Let’s just deconstruct every liberal argument for abortion to save time.

    1.
    A fetus is not a child. This is a blatant lie and ignores science. A
    fetus contains human dna , is a unique organism and is “alive.”By all
    the standards we currently have in modern molecular biology, life begins
    at conception.

    2. “My body, my choice.” An unborn child is independent of the mother and it kills a unique individual.

    3.
    “It’s just a blob of tissue.” This is a thinly veiled attempt to
    dehumanize a child to make it mentally easier to commit murder. To be
    “technical” we are all just blobs of tissue.

    4.
    “Abortion is a woman’s right.” We have the rights to life, liberty, and
    pursuit of happiness.A child has a natural right to life. Your life is
    not more important than another persons nor is your “convenience” more
    important than a child’s life. Remember that only 2% of all abortions
    are because of rape. That leaves the other 98% because someone didn’t
    want to take responsibility for their actions, and refuses to be an
    adult.

    5.
    “It is needed to prevent over population.” Current birthrate in the US
    is 1.9. That is actually less than the rate needed to replenish the
    population , 2.1. In other countries it is even lower.

    6. “Abortion is needed for rape victims”.
    We do not even kill rapists. Why is it morally acceptable to kill a child for a crime it did not commit?

    7. “Abortion is needed to help prevent poverty.”
    This
    is another nonsense argument. If we follow this flawed logic we should
    legalize euthanasia for toddlers , teenagers, and the elderly since they
    can become a financial burden.

    All
    of the above arguments are made from a position of selfishness. The
    arguments are flawed, ignore science and deny the basic right to life
    enjoyed by all living things. Let’s also not forget that women can give
    up children for adoption at ANY time, drop off a child at fire stations,
    police stations, churches, up to two weeks after giving birth NO
    QUESTIONS ASKED. Society has made it easy for mothers to give up all
    rights and responsibility when it comes to a child and yet liberals keep
    pushing the culture of death.

  • AlbertCat says:

    Wow! 2009! So…. what does she think now? Focus group?

  • Jack Engle says:

    I for one enjoy freedom and believe it should be for everyone, not just a select few who want to tell the others how to live.

    • Sientje Seinen says:

      and of course you never tell the other person how to drive, or what your opinions are on a certain subject, of course not you have freedom to push your agenda on others but not other to push their opinions on you?

  • Jack Engle says:

    That what I like someone who believes in the separation of church and state…NOT! You live your life the way you want to, but you have no right to dictate to others how they should live

    • Sientje Seinen says:

      ok you as a father if you are one, have no right to tell your children right from wrong, if I follow your opinion as that would be to dictate to your children how to behave?

  • Sientje Seinen says:

    hillary is as ambitious as they come, and took stuff out of the whitehouse when they had to vacuate the premises, you would think with her millions she would not need to steal that whichdidnt belong to her.

    • 1GreekAmericanWoman1 says:

      Wow. Where does your stupidity end? I guess you were there when it happened, huh? Did you check things off your list? I didn’t know Canada was so close to the White House. Wow, can you see Russia from your house too?

      • Sientje Seinen says:

        easy to see you dont read your newspapers, said she was so poor that why she took it, and what happened to all those deleted emails?

        • 1GreekAmericanWoman1 says:

          Easy to see you read propaganda and you have no reading comprehension skills. What did you do, listen to Fox Spews? Literate people understood what she meant and what she did. You, not so much. She gave thousands of pages of emails. She has gone through many investigations and NOT ONE came up with any criminal or illegal activity. All politicians delete their emails, or did you not know that? Of course, you don’t. But keep trying, you might find another conspiracy tin foil hat theory. Found any aliens from Mars yet?

          Again, what is your education background? Elementary school is probably the highest you got.

          • Sientje Seinen says:

            And how come they are still demanding she gives up those emails that she supposedly deleted? what did she have to hide? and why did they not send aid to those people at Bengladesh whom called for help and her having no explanation for it. only what difference does it make? I guess when you support abortions, there is no sacredness of life,except her own?

          • 1GreekAmericanWoman1 says:

            Because they are as stupid as you are. Their own committee three times, at least, found NOTHING. She didn’t hide anything. Where is your proof she hid something? Oh, that’s right you have none. And it’s not Bangladesh, you moron…it is Benghazi. You can’t even get the country right! Don’t you get tired of being wrong?! It has nothing to do with abortions, but simpletons like you will never get it. You know nothing of politics except what misinformation you get from other fools like you.

          • Sientje Seinen says:

            And I am sure you are in hillary’s confidence what did she promise you a nice cushy job in washington? lol

          • 1GreekAmericanWoman1 says:

            Hiding from your incompetence again with your insults. You are not even an American. What did she promise you? A visa to Bangladesh? LOL You don’t even know the difference between Bangladesh and Benghazi! LOL Still wrong. You don’t even know the REPUBLICANS found her not guilty from their own committees. Wow! The stupid is deep with this one.

          • Sientje Seinen says:

            lolol so she did promise you a nice cushy job, as you didnt answer my question. she has never known hunger, never known what is like to feed a family of 6 or 7 children, what in fact has she accomplished? except to help Obama put more people on food stamps?and since muslims dont believe in abortions, homosexuals cant reproduce except to recruit as it is an entity that needs recruitments to survive, so wont americans not soon be outnumbered by the muslims, and under sharia law?

          • 1GreekAmericanWoman1 says:

            WOW. Your ignorance grows and grows. Just when I thought the stupid could not get any worse, you make more. Hillary has accomplished more than you have or ever will in three lifetimes. I don’t need a job from her. You apparently do. She is not an employment specialist like you seem to think. She was Secretary of State. It’s the Republicans, not Obama that has placed more people on food stamps. Hillary has nothing to do with food stamps, or the budget. Of course, you wouldn’t know that since you aren’t HERE and you have no knowledge of politics here. You are the one that didn’t answer the questions… of what your education is. You are a high school drop-out. I answered your questions. You are an idiot. We are not under sharia law and Muslims are not a majority here. They must be where you are since you talk about them so much. And what do gay people got to do with sharia law? So illogical. You are nothing but a dinosaur with no education and no experience…go back to your Neanderthal cave. What are your ten years-old?

          • Sientje Seinen says:

            do you ever think that if she had stayed in the kitchen and brought more children into the world, Bill her husband might have kept his eyes to himself instead of picking on a young intern young enough to be his daughter? she is too ambitious for my taste. Hope she makes you happy. lol

          • 1GreekAmericanWoman1 says:

            Did you ever think you might find your brains in the kitchen? Maybe you might find someone who will keep their eyes on you. You, a high school drop-out are too dumb for my taste. Hope your ignorance makes you happy. Go back to your misogynist cave Neanderthal.

  • Sientje Seinen says:

    I am with you man should control themselves even when it comes to men of the same gender, or women of the same gender, why follow perversion and not control to do what is normal and decent. I agree totally. lolol I am a she by the way, of course with you so absorbed with same genders, it might be difficult for you to tell the difference.

  • Sientje Seinen says:

    actually it is you that has the closed mind, you cant see the forest for the trees, just because you delight in wickedness doesnt mean for you to impose this wickedness on our children or for that matter anyone.

    • 1GreekAmericanWoman1 says:

      God told me just now she saw what you have been doing. She said you were wicked and judgmental. She said your wickedness would be punished. She told me to warn you to stop your hateful ways against others, or else. I would listen if I were you.

      • Sientje Seinen says:

        lol G-d is not a she, G-d has no gender or geneology, your god sounds mean and spitefull just like you, are you sure you havent made G-d into your own image?

        • 1GreekAmericanWoman1 says:

          God told me to tell you to learn how to spell. LOL. God said you will be punished for your hateful attitude towards others not exactly like you. God can take many forms. God is not happy with you.

  • Rocktivity says:

    The way to keep abortion rare IS to keep it safe if legal.

  • veggiedude says:

    The nation with the most US aide is the one with the most liberal laws on abortion in the world: Israel. I wonder why they are picking out the entire african continent for this and not Israel. Can anyone answer this?

  • DrJennySueNY says:

    She Just loves to lie.

  • Cheryl Lynn says:

    damn … I’d like this response a 1000 x’s if I could 🙂

  • Cheryl Lynn says:

    Sientje is just another stepford robot brainwashed into hating her own kind cause the international pedophile ring known as catholic church told her to … she should be careful tho cause that book of fairy tales says her jeebus only disliked 2 kinds of people … the rich who hoard n refuse to help those less fortunate n those who judge others … me thinks she won’t be too happy when her big day comes n she’s on the wrong end of that big judgement that’s comin 🙂

    • 1GreekAmericanWoman1 says:

      She’s not very bright. Obviously she is not educated. I doubt she has finished high school or college.

    • Sientje Seinen says:

      Geez am not a roman catholic , the roman empire now disguised under christianity with popes at the head, to whom they give homage instead of ceasars with all their household gods,

  • manicman says:

    God is the one who gives life and the one who takes it away when it comes to innocent unborn human beings. If I beat a woman who is pregnant and I kill her baby then I am guilty of murder but if the mother chooses to kill her own baby it is legal. Sounds warped to me. No human has the right to murder an unborn human being. If you believe that it is someone’s right you are a sick individual. I am angry that my tax money goes to Planned Parenthood. I would never choose to give them money and millions of other people feel the same. God have mercy on all the murdering Doctors and Nurses and mothers of aborted babies. Fortunately these murdered babies are in the arms of Jesus because of the blood He shed for us. Jesus said it would be better to be tied to a millstone and thrown into the ocean than to hurt a child, a gift from God, than to face Him on judgement day.

  • Sientje Seinen says:

    lololol why do you think Lot sent out his daughters to those homosexuals whom were demanding for those two male angels to be send out to them, isnt because they despise women? you dont make sense.

  • Dagwood W says:

    Oh joy. Another bunch of idiots falling for Clinton lies.

  • Patrick King says:

    It is an awful reality of life but it is also often the best solution for parent AND child even if the parents can’t admit it to themselves. Ted Bundy’s mother could not afford to have a child. If she’s had an abortion how many lives would have been saved? 27 that we KNOW of. Charles Manson’s mother was 15 and unprepared to be a parent. She should have had an abortion. David Berkowitz’ mother put him up for adoption but that didn’t solve the problem. She should have had an abortion. In many cased I’m pro-abortion.

  • Patrick King says:

    Interestingly, Hugh, Barry Goldwater, “Mr. Conservative” was also pro-abortion. This new jag Republicans are on about mysticism and how “sacred” life is, is a trend that is killing that party.

  • Patrick King says:

    But abortion is also a decision that should be made for those too mentally impaired to make it for themselves. Children should not be brought into circumstances that will leave them emotionally and intellectually scarred for life. If parents cannot care for their offspring chances are good that those offspring will never be able to care for themselves and their care, one way or another, will fall to the rest of us. As the problem becomes more obvious more people will come over to my way of thinking.

  • Patrick King says:

    Well, you sound like a logical Republican. Put some effort in getting the rest of your party out of the mysticism business and into rational and conservative thought and one day perhaps I’ll join you.

  • Sientje Seinen says:

    homosexuals are condemned already, the Lord calls it an abomination, so He is the ultimate judge if you do not repent of same,do you really believe He will have mercy on those whom mock Christ His only begotten Son;s suffering on Calvary>

  • Sientje Seinen says:

    and you are not a nice person whom has to shout to make your opinions known, why do you suppose you have a womb? I suppose you dont have an opinion about that either, and if your respect yourself, keep your legs crossed, and dont you think it was a deterrent for the man not to rape a woman as he had to face her everyday for the rest of his life, across the breakfast table, dont you think he would think twice before raping a woman? plus feeling guilty everytime he met her father, I think it was a great deterrent.

  • VelikaBuna says:

    I noticed not a word on the right of a child(human being) to life and health and so forth. If we draw logical conclusion from her argument it is justified to kill anyone who himself or somebody else feels based on personal opinion has less than adequate quality of life.

  • NCpuglover says:

    Whatever your view on abortion, this shows why a black and white view of it is sadly lacking. Yes, keep it available and rare.

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