People are flipping out because for the first time in history, a Wiccan prayer started the day for the Iowa House of Representatives.
Was Rep. Liz Bennett (D) trying to make a point when she invited Wiccan priestess Deborah Maynard to deliver the prayer? She didn’t mention it, but if she was, it was certainly to demonstrate that religious freedom is for everyone.
Maynard is a part of the Unitarian Universalist Church in Cedar Rapids. She’s only the third Wiccan to give a prayer in front of a government body.
Maynard’s prayer was simple, beautiful and inoffensive:
Wiccan priestess Deborah Maynard of Cedar Rapids stood at the podium in the House chamber and issued a call to “God, Goddess, Universe, that which is greater than ourselves to be here today.” She spoke of the fire that “gives us light and passion” to help people be passionate about their work for the people of Iowa, and by the “water that flows through our blood and stirs our emotions,” to help see the inherent worth and dignity of every person.
Source: Des Moines Register
Here’s the prayer offered in the Iowa House this morning by a Wiccan priestess. Caused quite a stir. #ialegis pic.twitter.com/xf4srV0Ffw
— Brianne Pfannenstiel (@brianneDMR) April 9, 2015
At least you’d think it was inoffensive, but several members of the House didn’t even show up and of those that did, many turned their backs. Many Christians thought that the prayer was a threat to their own beliefs (why are Christian’s beliefs so fragile?). Here’s CBN’s version of the prayer:
State Rep. Rob Taylor blamed Jesus for the protest:
Taylor explained to KCRG that he prayed and asked, “What would Jesus do?” In the end, he decided to “be in the presence of a prayer, but peacefully protest” by turning his back. Other lawmakers refused to attend Thursday’s opening ceremonies. “Jesus would be in the chamber, from my perspective, he would passively protest. Then he would seek that individual out and have peaceful conversation about why his way was the best way,” the lawmaker said. “Everyone has the right to come into our chamber — it is the people’s chamber — and pray and she did and this was the way for me to peacefully protest.” Source: Raw Story
Here’s a video about the prayer and protest:
You can bet we haven’t heard the end of the right-wing freakout.
Featured image via KCRG.com video screenshot.
Now now Wicca is a GENUINE Religion ,and they have the SAME rights as the Christians ,,this is America ISNT IT???
There is no religious freedom unless it is freedom for all — Wiccans, Muslims, Hindus, Jews, Christians, and even atheists, plus everyone else out there in between. That’s what religious “freedom” means. If it only means freedom for Christians to do as they please or to impose their views on others, it’s the same kind of “freedom” they have to or practice Islam in many Middle East countries…..There was nothing offensive in this prayer, and only people of quite limited intelligence and no insight about what freedom of religion means would have behaved like immature jackasses, the way these apparently challenged, disrespectful representatives did. Most normal, intelligent people would have quietly listened to the prayer offered, like Jesus would have done, I’m sure, perhaps speaking with her later, if he wanted to share other thoughts with her. They were just being dimwitted, bratty, and asinine, and trying to call attention to themselves.
Atheism is not considered a religion. But they are gaining protective rights.
True. Atheism is not a religion. But, “freedom of religion” must also include the right to be non-religious and enjoy equal status under the law. If not, the religion one is forced to assume would not be “free.”
so what commandments or morals would you go by if you were a judge whom has to judge between two people who were sueing one another one was a christian the other an athiest or unbeliever?
Being a judge is about the law, not morals. Do you know what the difference between the two is?
so you are saying if there is a judge whom thinks molesting children is okay, then the child doesnt have a chance, see evil flourishes when good man do nothing.
Molesting children is against man made laws too. If he believes that molesting children is OK he still has to go by the law. Really, if you need something to tell you what is right or wrong then you aren’t really all that moral.
yes but there are crooked judges who arent all christian or do not know the laws of the lord God so they judge accordingly,
What part of LAW don’t you understand? Also, do you recognize that judges aren’t the sole arbiters of justice in criminal court? I am trying not to sound condescending, but the things you say exhibit such a fundamental unawareness of how society operates that I can’t figure out how much I should assume you know. Do you know what a jury is? Do you know what the law is? Do you know what judges do in criminal cases? Can you describe any of these things so we can tell if we have to explain to you how the criminal justice system works?
Being a judge is about law, not morals. Do you understand the difference?
so are you talking about manmade laws or the ones that were given by the Lord God at Mt Sinai, do you suppose manmade laws trump the ones the Lord God gaves to ponder and to enlighten us?
YES. WE go by manmade laws because not everyone in the USA is Christian. Really.
Do YOU follow Mosaic law?
And, whether you do or not, our legal system has nothing to do with Mosaic law. After all, our laws forbid slavery. Our laws imprison men who rape virgin girls, rather than requiring the girl to marry her attacker after he pays her father a fine. Our laws forbid people from rounding up those who don’t properly observe religious edicts and stoning them to death. But, if you think we should follow Mosaic law, we can reinstitute slavery, sell raped virgins to their rapists, and kill people who fail to follow the rules of the Sabbath. Which would you prefer?
since when did the Lord God approve of slavery when He delivered His people out of same? and think how great a deterrent it would be for a man not to rape a girl if he knew he had to pay the father and sit across from her at breakfast for the rest of his life? do you think he would think twice where our laws gives him a slap on the wrist he can a computer in jail and even get a welfare cheque while the victim has to carry the shame for the rest of her life, which do you think is more just?
You obviously have not read your Bible. Go get it and read it. Don’t you think, if you’re going to claim to believe what the Bible says, you should at less know what it says? Or, do you not even care what it says, and just have your own idea of what the Bible says based on what you’ve been told about it over the years?
Go read your Bible. Come back when you have and acknowledge that your God in your Bible endorsed slavery, and Jesus never condemned it. I doubt you have the courage to read it, bug maybe you’ll surprise me.
You dont understand do you. The Lord God does not condone slavery for His people those whom He has elected. Since He delivered them out of slavery while in bondage in Egypt, so Christ delivers us from the bondage of being slaves to sin. and grafts us into the Olive Tree, and so become by looking to Christ to help us become children of God no longer enslaved to the things of this world but in all thinks giving praise and thanks to the lord God O f Israel. Remember the Lord God drove out other nations before the Israelites whom practiced abominable and detestable things in His sight.
Actually, he endorsed his chosen people enslaving each other, and purchasing slaves from other societies as well. Go. Read. Your. Bible. You obviously haven’t, and you’re making yourself sound foolish by directly contradicting the Bible.
No the Lord G-d of Israel is not pleased with treating others like slaves, they were to treat them decently and set them free in the year of the Jubilee, and tell me are you not a slave to the system which America has set up for its citizens, and which does not always follow the laws of the Lord G-d? and since the Lord G-d saw the negroes being badly treated were they not eventually set free, as the Lord hates oppression of any kind. God bless
That is Hebrew slaves. Google the phrase “purchase slaves from the heathens around you.” If you were told that you could be beaten nearly to death as long as you don’t die in a couple days, would you say you’re being treated well? And, more to the point, would you want to be my slave, to be my property to be handed down to my heirs?
only the Israelites were allowed to take slaves from among the people they conquered as the Lord did drive out other nations before them, whom practiced abominable and detestable things among themselves not much different in America today, i.e homosexuality, abortions, in vitro fertilization where only one egg is used and the others destroyed. and if the slave stole or did some misdeed, they were allowed to beat them. Dont you think some of these slaves would be mutinous and rebellious. No I dont want to be your slave, though some man try to make their wives their slaves. or even their children, but see christ sets us free from that as when we no the Truth it sets us free to treat others as we would like to be treated, and one can only love their neighbour as themselves when one has the Love of the Lord God residing within their hearts, otherwise it is not possible and when we turn to christ the Lord God pours His love into our hearts, this is the only true faith and love which can exist among those whom are of His children God bless
So, now you admit I was right when I said God in the Bible endorsed slavery. Were you lying before when you said I was wrong, or are you lying now when you’re saying I was right?
the Lord did not endorse to have the people whom He chose to be a light unto the nation to be enslaved only those of those nations that practiced abominable and detestable things which were evil in the eyes of the Lord, see America is becoming enslaved to homosexuality, and carnal behaviour.
Like I said…first, you denied that God in the Bible endorsed slavery. Then, you admit that God in the Bible endorsed slavery. Were you lying then or are you lying now?
Just to be clear: you wouldn’t want to be someone else’s slave. I suppose you would probably make efforts to escape your captors and free yourself, correct? Would you suppose that seeking your freedom should be met with harsh beatings if you were caught? Do you think beating you would be a righteous act? What if your captor’s holy book said that the creator of the universe had deemed THEM worthy to own slaves, unlike your Bible? Is their slavery righteous and moral? Are they doing right by owning and beating you when you try to gain your freedom?
If you knew the Lord God of Israel and Christ whom He sent, then your heart would become enlightened and you not look at the Word with a carnal and earthly mind, but since it was written by men whom were inspired by the Holy spirit ask the Lord to open your mind to His Word come with a believing heart, and ask Him to give you understanding and insight into His Word as it is hidden from those who are to perish. God bless
You need to actually read your bible, not just carry it to church.
Our laws forbid beating women. Too many people confuse “Heritage” with “Culture”. Immigrants should embrace there heritage but adapt to our culture. The people of India, a long time ago, used to burn the wives of dead men alive during the man’s funeral so he could be with her for eternity. The British, who occupied the land said, “Fine, you keep doing your tradition and we will follow our laws. You build the bon fires for the wives and we will build our gallows and hang you for murder.”
Yes, in court, they do. Religious beliefs are irrelevant in court. Everyone has a right to their own. You probably wouldn’t want to be judged by Islamic Law, so you can’t judge others based on Christian Laws either. The law is impartial of religion.
so then it would go totally by the judge being biassed towards a certain person or the best lawyer who could put forth the best argument, would a poor person have a chance according to this? nevertheless the Lord is the final judge whether one wants to admit it or not.
Said who? Another Fairy Tale trotted out as fact.
Do you really follow all the laws in Leviticus? Those include the prohibition against seafood and pork and not mixing clothing made of different fibers.
I dont eat pork it is a animal that carries diseases, and most of the seafood that is forbidden were the aggressive kind of fish, as shrimp are crustaceans which clean the bottom of the ocean, and anyone whom sews knows you dont mix wool with cotton. satisfied?
No, I’m not satisfied. I see that you are a stereotypical fundamentalist Christian, who cherry-picks from the bible in order to fuel your narrow point of view.
no you picked from the Bible and I answered you according to what you picked from the Bible, so throw something on me, that you brought to the forefront.
That you’re a religious hypocrite? You’ve been cherry-picking from the bible all along, and we’re simply answering you back. Go home, actually READ your bible, then come back when you have something sensible to say.
yes there is a difference in manmade laws and those given from above which supercedes manmade laws as the judge is also accountable to the Most High, as each of us is accountable just wish people would remember this.
But, you don’t get sent to jail for coveting your neighbor’s wife, and you don’t pay a fine for wearing mixed fabrics. Judges deal with the law, not religious edicts from holy texts. Now you know why what you said is ridiculous.
Horse Hockey. Above? What’s that supposed to mean. Pure fiction does not make for good policy.
Just open up your heart and ask the Lord for wisdom from above, as He gives to all liberally. and see how the laws of God enlightens the eyes of man.
Lord? Which one, there are so many. And each them were the manufacture of someone wanting to manipulate others. Believe what you wish but don’t trot out these fallacies as fact, they’re not!
- Mark Twain — ‘Religion was invented when the first con man met the first fool.’
I’m too old to believe in Fairytales. You are too.
Btw, which God are you speaking of, there are so many?
Neither holds favor, neither is lesser in the eyes of law.
I’d go by the LAW.
I don’t think you really understand what we mean when we say LAW. A judge rules by the laws written in the Constitution of the USA & the Constitution of the State they live in. Commandments or morals don’t come into their judgement. 2 people suing each other are 2 people suing each other - their faith or lack of faith or their unbelief (not sure what you mean by unbeliever) has absolutely nothing to do with it. Judges are SUPPOSED to be impartial to belief. It doesn’t matter if they are Atheist, Agnostic & never attend any church at all or if they are on the front pew every time the Church doors open - the judge has the law & applies it. In America, a Christian has the same rights as a Jew or a Muslim. Atheists also have the same rights as any Christian. That is how it works here. Not sure where YOU live.but we don’t judge people by their faith here.
If I was a judge, I would follow the law. That’s why the lady holding the scales of justice is blindfolded.
It shouldn’t have anything to do with the matter. You don’t even need to know anyone’s religion in a lawsuit. You’d go by the law in making a decision.
it doesnt though it depends on whom is the judge where his leanings are and whether one can afford a better lawyer than the opposition. when one swears on the Bible one at least has the knowledge that the Lord is just and e ven when the poor is outdone by clever lawyers his faith remains in the Lord, and he will be vindicated, and you are taking this away from the poor. so in fact you are oppressing the poor, which is another abominable thing in the eyes of the lord.
I’ve come to realize that you are probably ill, and there is no use to try to explain or reason with you. I hope you get some help. Good luck to you.
Agreed. IMO, too many people think that “Freedom OF religion” means “Freedom FROM religion” and it doesn’t.
So what are you suggesting? That freedom of religion means one does not have to adhere to a single religion but one must pick A religion and adhere to that. MOST of the founding fathers, Franklin, Jefferson, Paine for certain, were atheists. While they understood that religion played an important role in the lives of the less intelligent, they did not mean that everyone had to have a religion. No religion has the right to impose its tenets on people who are not willing members… nor will one be allowed to.
Sadly, you’re not even close. I’m typing very slowly so you can understand. Freedom OF Religion means you can pick any religion you like or NO RELIGION AT ALL. Freedom FROM religion means, even if you’re an atheist, you are not shielded from hearing about other people’s beliefs. I can explain it TO you, but I can’t understand it FOR you. I’ve done my part by explaining it to you, now you need to do your part by understanding.
I probably know more about YOUR religion than you do, and you can believe whatever you like as far as I care. What you cannot do is legislate for me based on what an invisible being says to you or whatever schizophrenic you’re following.
Agreed
because it goes against God’s holy Word that there is only one true God the Lord God whom created heaven and earth, no goddesses or gods of your own making.
So you say. Billions of people say otherwise. In the United States, none of that is relevant under law.
Just like our Lord Jesus Christ said. when He saw the multitude “The harvest is plenty but the laborers are few” so very true, pray that the Lord will sent out laborers as the Lord will seperate the wheat from the chaff.
Um, what? Any chance if getting a legitimate response, or will you just spout woo?
But you see the wiccan lady would have had to come to Christ in order to gain knowledge and forgiveness of her transgressions as “all have sinned and come short of the glory of God, and only through Christ can we come to know the true God the creator of Heaven and earth as He made the Lord God of Israel known to us. granted Christ would have cast out the evil spirit within her that referred to the lord God as a she
Someone who was recently denying that the Bible endorsed slavery is in no position to lecture others on the Bible.
Dawna I suggest you dont know our Lord Christ Jesus and neither does the Wiccan lady they dance in the moonlight naked, This isnt what our Lord Christ Jesus taught he taught “Suffer the little children to come unto Me and forbid them not” so ask the Lord to make His Word known to you.
YOU don’t know Jesus Christ either. Sit and actually READ your bible before you start spouting things you obviously don’t understand.
not so as people listened to Christ as He taught with authority, they brought the lame, the sick, the blind to Him to be healed and He taught repentance and to go and sin No More.
Nope, according to these nutcases, the only real religion is Christianity, and probably the “prosperity Christianity” at that.
In what they have clearly demonstrated to be their opinion, there is Zero need to respect ANY religion other than Christianity. And these disrespectful people are the ones writing the laws.
everyone say HELLO,to our NEW REPUBLICAN CONGRESS we have
just elected for ourselves
VOTE THESE IDIOTS OUT OF OFFICE,,,you
cant wish them out,,,any one who is reading this and did not vote,,,YOU ARE
PART OF THE PROBLEM not just them
I beg your pardon it is lawyers and judges whom rewrite the laws, and if they are athiest woe to the Americans as they do not hold the Lord God in honour or even acknowledge His existence.
Beg away dearie. Judges don’t write laws, lawmakers who may be lawyers write laws,
Just an fyi, in the United States, we have the First Amendment. It calls for freedom of religion here’s the part germane to this: “the United States Constitution PROHIBITS the making of any law RESPECTING an establishment of religion, IMPEDING the free exercise of religion…”
You are free to believe what you want to believe, but you are NOT FREE to shove your beliefs down the throat of anyone ELSE.
You are NOT FREE to drag anyone to YOUR CHURCH.
If you want to do that, move to a country that uses the main tenents of the major religion for the law.
Here, we have a melting pot of ethnicity, of cultures, of food, of living, and we must respect the differences of those who are not like us.
Your religion is NOT the deciding factor, nor should it be the deciding factor in creating law.
These people, who were so disrespectful towards a person of a different religion, have proved they are unworthy to hold a lawmakers position.
Every man, woman and child is supposed to be EQUAL under the law. Your choice of deity to worship is not as important as the actions you commit,
so then homosexuals should not be free either to teach sexual orientation in the schools either and make our children believe what they believe, or force same upon our children? same with athiest or any budhists or Islam?
None of that happens in our schools. Public schools and public courts — our legal system -are not run based on anyone’s religious beliefs. You have a right to yours; but, so do others -even those who don’t believe in religion at all.. It’s obvious that you simply have no concept of other religions or of how systems, outside religious systems, work, and you have no clue about the concepts of “separation of church and state,” “respect for religious diversity”, or “religious freedom.” Unless you educate yourself about how real life works, including our legal system, you will never be able to begin to understand this kind of conversation. Good luck to you……PS: When is the last time you saw Wiccans dancing naked in the moonlight?
ask any wiccan it is part of their religious ceremony, I have it in good stead from one of their wiccan priest on another forum. you are nuts, when you believe in other gods than the one whom created Heaven and earth, Did you not know that the earth is the Lord’s and the fullness thereoff, you are just someone passing through to which side I havent got a clue, but we christians know where we are heading, and we hope and pray that the rest of the world will come to know the true God and christ Jesus whom He sent. there is no other saviour beside Him. repent
Have you ever attended a Wiccan ceremony? Somehow I doubt it.
Homosexuals are not teaching sexual orientation in schools. That’s simply not true.
You of course are ok with thousands of Christian private schools, where christianity is forced on children. Which is forcing the same on our children. I don’t think any religion should be taught.
I do think many of the tenents of religion, care for others, be compassionate, etc. should be taught.
christianity isnt forced on children it cant be forced, it is something which a child accepts and children believe you me, they are more aware of what is false and what is true than grownups, did the Lord not say “Unless one accepts the Kingdom of God as a little child, one cannot enter therein? see you believe that christianity can be forced and those of us who know our Lord know that this is not possible Try to force it on homosexuals and see what happens. as they do not want to accept the truth as their agenda is an agenda of lies and deceit. which the people seem to want to hear.
If you think dragging your children to church every week, reading the Bible or Koran aloud every day, going to a religious school isn’t forcing your religion on a child, I can’t tell you anything that you will understand.
I beg your pardon, I was not dragged to church every week, I wanted to go often went without my parents, to be taught the stories which are great examples of how when one reveres the Lord, in ones heart, one does receive joy in their hearts which no one can take away. no forcing a child not to come to know the true God of Israel and Christ Jesus whom He sent for our sakes, then your love is very limited as one cannot love their neighbor as themselves when love of the Lord God is absent from within the heart.
Lucky for you not to be dragged to church. I was. The wonderful stories you may have heard, made me very anxious.
A god who was willing to kill every child on a planet, no matter the age of that child? A god who was willing to kill every pregnant woman on the planet? And DID according to the Book? I did not find that worthy of worship, I found that level of cruelty horrifically wrong.
Yes, it CAN be forced on people and it still is. Why is is that it’s the Christian sects who go door-to-door trying to convert people? I see no other religion doing this.
those are Jehovah witnesses whom are a cult not really known as christians something like the wiccans except they believe they are the 144,000 saved, instead of the 144,000 being of the tribes of Israel 12,000 of each tribe.
No, it’s not just Jehovah Witnesses. I’ve had Baptists, Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, and various Fundamentalist sects come to my door “spreading the word”.
Last time I checked, Jehovah Witnesses ARE a sect of Christianity, trust me they are nothing like Wiccans.
If Muslims were leading your child in mandatory Muslim prayers at school every day and teaching that Islam is the one true religion, that wouldn’t be forcing it on anybody, right?
I heard black men can kiss white women in public, in movies, and at any time of day on pretty much any channel in America! UNBELIEVABLE! They’re teaching their race mixing values to our impressionable children!
and how come the rich can hire lawyers at $300 an hr. whereas the poor cant afford a lawyer and this is equality?
No one said that the rich the rich and the poor are equal. The law is to regard them as equal.
“The law, in its majestic equality forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread.” Anatole France.
lolol that sort of make the law idiotic doesnt it where the rich never need to sleep under the bridges and to beg in the streets, nor to steal bread when no one wants to give them money to buy their daily bread.
Bingo.
Or, worse…MUSLIM! We can’t have Muslim politicians or judges because they’ll enact Sharia law!
Will this goof defend Muslims for believing in a deity or agree that Muslims can’t be allowed to hold public office? The fun starts now!
Geez what has religion got to do with rights anyway. as christianity is a faith that the Lord God exists and send Christ to atone for our transgressions it is a belief of the heart, and we cant make others believe as the lord has to touch your heart, to come to know Him and christ Jesus whom He sent.
WHEN states start making LAWS that discriminate against people based on one certain relidgious freedom it is time to start cutting them off at the knees,,YOUR ,,”RELIGIOUS FREEDOM is in YOUR
home,,it is in YOUR CHURCH,,,,, and it ENDS on everyones sidewalk,,,NO you cant
put your hocus pokus baloney on everyones elses sidewal,
dont yell at me it is the Lord God who gave the laws for mankind to obey take it up with Him, that you believe you are greater in wisdom than He the creator of heaven and earth, may He have mercy on your soul.
““YOU PEOPLE KEEP SAYING GOD .,,,,,,, WHICH ONE?
Alla,,Mars,Rha,Mercury,Toth,Zanzimeil,Budda,Neptune,Jehova,Crom,Venus,Osirus,Apollo,Posideion,Amund,
Can you guys be more specific about which god you are talking about???? My
favorite is Poseidon
Reason why conditioning minor children into
and superstitious/religious belief should be a felony. It is child abuse and
destroys ability to think critically for life.
I keep telling you the Lord God of Israel who created heaven and earth who also formed you in your mother’s womb, whom do you think gave you your hearing, your eyes and your voice to speak, and do you give thanks for all his blessings, no you revile the Lord God by not harken to His commandments and despise His sending Christ to redeem you of your sinfull ways. Repent.
Thank you for narrowing it down ,,would you mind telling me WHO tehse guys are????Abaddon, Agdistis,
Ah Puch, Ahura Mazda, Aken, Aker, Alberich, Allah, Amaterasu, Am-Heh, Ament,
Amon, An, Anahita, Anansi, Anat, Andvari, Anshar, Anu, Aphoom-Zhah, Aphrodite,
Apollo, Apollyon, Apsu, Ares, Artemis, Asclepius, Asmodeus, Astaroth, Athena,
Athirat, Athtart, Atlas, Azathoth, Azazel, Baal, Baphomet, Ba Xian, Bacchus,
Balder, Bast, Beelzebub, Beherit, Bellona, Benu, Bergelmir, Bes, Bile, Bixia
Yuanjin, Bragi, Brahma, Brigit, Camaxtli, Ceres, Ceridwen, Cernunnos, Chac,
Chalchiuhtlicue, Chang Hsi, Chaos, Charun, Chemosh, Cheng-Huang, Crom, Cthugha,
Cthulhu, Cybele, Dagon, Damkina, Dargor, Davlin, Dawn, Demeter, Demogorgon,
Diana, Diablo, Diabolos, Di Cang, Dionysus, Ea, El, Elohim, Enki, Enlil, Eos,
Epona, Ereskigal, Erlik, Eros, Euronymous, Farbauti, Fenrir, Fenris, Flying
Spaghetti Monster, Forseti, Fortuna, Freya, Freyr, Frigg, Gaea, Gaia, Ganesha,
Ganga, Garuda, Gauri, Geb, Geong Si, Ghatanothoa, Guanyin, Hades, Hanuman,
Hathor, Hecate, Helios, Heng-O, Hephaestus, Hera, Hermes, Hestia, Hod, Hoderi,
Hoori, Horus, Hotei, Huitzilopochtli, Hsi-Wang-Mu, Hygeia, Imhotep, Inanna,
Inti, Iris, Ishtar, Isis, Ixtab, Izanaki, Izanami, Janus, Jesus, Juno, Jupiter,
Juturna, Kagutsuchi, Kartikeya, Khepri, Khonsu, Ki, Kingu, Kinich Ahau, Kishar,
Krishna, Krom, Kuan-yin, Kukulcan, Kvasir, Lakshmi, Leto, Leviathan, Lilith,
Liza, Loki, Lucifer, Lugh, Luna, Magna Mater, Maia, Mammon, Marduk, Mars, Mazu,
Medb, Mephistopheles, Mercury, Mimir, Min, Minerva, Mithras, Moloch, Morrigan,
Mot, Mummu, Muses, Nammu, Nanna, Nanabozho, Nanse, Neith, Nemesis, Nephthys,
Neptune, Nergal, Ninazu, Ninhurzag, Nintu, Ninurta, Njord, Nugua, Nut,
Nyarlathotep, Odin, Ohkuninushi, Ohyamatsumi, Orgelmir, Osiris, Ostara, Pan,
Parvati, Phaethon, Phoebe, Phoebus Apollo, Pilumnus, Poseidon, Ptah, Qadesh,
Quetzalcoatl, Rama, Re, Rhea, Sabazius, Samael, Sarapis, Sarasvati, Sekhmet,
Selene, Shaitan, Shesmu, Shiva, Seshat, Seti, Set, Shamash, Shapsu, Shen Yi,
Shiva, Shu, Shub-Niggurath, Si-Wang-Mu, Sin, Sirona, Sobek, Sol, Surya,
Susanoh, Tawaret, Tefnut, Tezcatlipoca, Thanatos, The Force, Thor, Thoth,
Tiamat, Tianhou, Tlaloc, Tonatiuh, Toyo-Uke-Bime, Tyche, Tyr, Ur, Utu, Ullr,
Uzume, Vediovis, Venus, Vesta, Vishnu, Volturnus, Vulcan, Wadjet, Weneg,
Wepwawet, Wosret, Xipe, Xi Wang-mu, Xochipilli, Xochiquetzal, Yah, Yahweh, Yam,
Yarikh, Yhwh, Yig, Ymir, Yog-Sothoth, Yu-huang, Yum Kimil, Zeus
Cthulhu!
YEA I missed the flying spagetti monster too
You should study the laws on the Stele of Hammurabi. Older than many of the so called Biblical laws, and many of the so called biblical laws are nearly identical.
Your faith is your faith, you can’t prove it, and while you are entitled to your own opinion, you are not entitled to your own facts.
you cant prove anything you wrote either, because it is all something you have heard or are figments of your imagination or your parents indoctrinated you that way.
Wrong. The Stele of Hammurabi is real, you can google it, and is older than the laws of the Bible.
You don’t have to like it, for it to be true.
Incidentally, my parents indoctrinated my to be a Catholic.
lol to have faith in the roman empire now under the guise of Christianity with popes at the head instead of Ceasars, whom ruled during the time Christ was sent to the House of Israel for to call people to repentance.
You humor me… By all means, waddle in your folly.
so why then are homosexuals allowed to flaunt their nakedness down the streets of the towns, isnt that a form of indoctrinating also or forcing their lewdness on others?
what on earth has religion got to do with rights, do I have the right to call someone a name, do I have a right to push a homosexual agenda on anyone, Not in my religion, so what is this about rights?
except THE STATE Of Indiana says you do have that right
Would you force and African-American caterer to cater a KKK ralley? People should be able to choose who they do business with. The Gay couples could go to a number of bakery’s and the KKK could go elsewhere for their food.
and christians could go to gay bakeries and ask for a cake which would read “We support traditional marriage and he cant refuse, correct seeing christians cant discriminate so what is good for the goose is good for the gander?
Yes, Christians can and do go to bakeries and purchase cakes that do read ” We support traditional marriage,”
Gay bakery owners haven’t refused, because money is money, and gay bakers are in business not to be the “Sin Police”, but to make money.
Have you tried to do this and really they actually made you a cake with the logo “Support traditional marriage?’ they must really be hypocrites of the first order then and here they call the christians names.
Nope. Not a cake decorator, BUT my baby sister is, and has done decorating for over 30 years now. She told me she made her first “we support traditional marriage” cake some 5 years ago.
She has worked where the manager owner is gay, and who said “Who cares if it’s gay money or straight money? It’s spending money!”
So, if you think straight bakers are “supporting” sin by selling a gay couple a wedding cake, do you also think gun shops support murder by selling a gun to someone who kills?
Hypocrits are one of the biggest things Jesus preached against, and there is a sh*t ton of them in these United States, claiming to be Christian, and acting hateful and mean as can be. Worse, they think they are the ones to judge whether or not you deserve cake, and believe me, that many of these so called “Christians’ are not fit to judge if your dog has fleas. .
If the Satan Worshipers want to turn their backs during Christian prayer, I would support that also.
Wiccans aren’t Satan worshipers.
If Wiccans want to turn their backs during Christian prayer, I would support that also. This is still America
Its America for everyone, not just xtian people. Seems like every religion in the USA today is tolerant and respectful of one another’s needs, of others’ faiths. Everyone but the so-called pillars of the US - yep, the CINO’s - Christians in Name Only.
Good one. I’ll call the Islamic bakery and ask for a “Cartoon Muhammed” cake and see how that goes. You’ll support me when they say no, right 😉
No, because anyone has the right to provide a service that would promote bigotry and hate. You cannot pick and choose which verses from the Bible to honor and those to ignore. But Christ made it easy for you, all you have to do is love and respect everyone, and treat others like you would like to be treated. NO EXCEPTIONS!
yes well God Christ Father in heaven spoke of homosexuality as an abomination Christ came to do the will of the Father as He and the Father are one, so He paid the price for us when He took the wrath of God the Father for us, at calvary. to now spit in the Father’s face by condoning homosexuality and mocking Christ suffering is to invoke the wrath of God upon your country. repent and give the Lord praise and Glory and sin no more as Christ is not an agent of sin see Romans chapter one verse 20-25
actually, no he didn’t
so then homosexuals are bigots also for not wanting to bake a cake with the logo “support traditional marriage” no difference than them coming to a christian bakery and ask them to bake a cake support gay marriage, bunch of hypocrites and bigots sort of like passing judgment on themselves.
No, because anyone has the right to not provide a service that would promote bigotry and hate. You cannot pick and choose which verses from the Bible to honor and those to ignore. But Christ made it easy for you, all you have to do is love and respect everyone, and treat others like you would like to be treated. NO EXCEPTIONS!
In 1517, Martin Luther rebelled against the Vatican which is now known as “The Christian Reformation” which means, xians like me can wear garments of different cloth, eat levened bread ect ect ect. Islam has not had that reformation yet because anyone who questions the Koran is threatened with death or killed. I’m not talking about “Islamic Extremists”. I’m talking about countries like Saudi Arabia, Iran, Yemen and Pakistan who have laws that say homo-sexuality is punishable by hanging or being thrown off a tall building or mountain. Other laws state that a woman can be stoned to death for adultery after being raped. These aren’t “Cults”, they are laws from the countries I have listed above. Yet, the progressives want to attacks xians and defend Islam. OK, go ahead. As for me, I will stand for “Pro-Womens Right”, Pro-Gay Rights” and against pedophilia and continue to condemn Sharia Law.
So you are for abortions to kill the child within? no wonder whites are badly outnumbered as Islam does not condone abortions or homosexuality which also threatens the birthrate in America, they cannot survive without recruiting so watch your children.
Believe me, the birthdate in America is not threatened.
Believe me, the birthrate in America is not threatened
that is not true either as the Lord Christ suffered a great deal to reconcile us to the Lord God of Israel, and those whom mock Christ suffering the Lord Himself will deal with them, We can exhort them but if they refuse to listen, then we are not to throw or pearls before swine. as Christ is the Light and they prefer the darkness as the Light would expose their evil deeds.
Why is it that people feel compelled to make fun of the fact that Islam does not depict Allah or Muhammed? I wouldn’t support you because you would be doing it for spite - not because you really “wanted one”. All you would do is stir up hatred. Leave it alone.
I believe that is why Gay couples choose Christian bakery’s. There are hundreds of other bakery’s that could bake the same cake. I don’t think an African-American owned caterer should be forced to do business with the KKK either, but that’s just me.
excuse the KKK are more like the homosexuals whom frequent christian bakeries when they know it is agains their faith and then sue them would it be ok if I went to a gay bakery and asked to make a cake mentioning “I support traditional marriage” and they refuse can I sue them, after all it is them who yell about equality isnt it?
IMO, You cannot be “Pro-Womens Right”, Pro-Gay Rights” and against pedophilia but not condemn Sharia Law.
I’m sorry… were we discussing prayer or Sharia Law. See…I missed that transition.
And I am against Sharia Law. I’m ALSO against Christians encoding THEIR faith into our law …. and do not even try to pretend that they do not.
No transition. I an talking about progressives attacking xains but being silent about Islam. Please see my post below.
American people of the Islamic faith are not trying to impose their beliefs on the citizens of this country. Fundamentalist Christians are trying to impose their beliefs on the citizens of this country. I am more concerned about what is going on in my own country. The rest of the world takes a back seat to that. Besides we have no right to impose our beliefs on anyone. That’s the major reason we are fighting a losing battle in the middle east. They want to determine their own lives.
you wait until sharia law comes into effect you better not be caught stealling your hand will be cut off, you better not look with lust at your neighbors wife, you will be stoned to death and I am not even going to mention what they do to homsexuals.
well, accodring to you, having lustful thoughts will get us sent to eternal hellfire.
not if you repent and ask the Lord to come into your heart and cleanse it of same, or greed or hatred or strife against those you dont understand.
And, you’re being silent about dog fighting. Why don’t you condemn it? You haven’t mentioned anything about it in this conversation, so obviously you think it’s ok.
Islam is not sharia law. Try reading a book
christians dont encode faith into their law, the laws were given at Mt Sinai to the Jews it is impossible to keep all those laws, as sin dwells within us, but Christ by turning to Him cleanses our hearts from transgressions and helps us into upholding the law to love theLord Thy God and they neighbour as oneself, but one cannot love their neighbor as themselves if you do not have the Love of God in your heart.
you cant encode faith into law as faith in something unseen cannot be encoded you people dont have a clue what it means to have faith in a Living God.
terpmarty80 wtf are you talking about please try to stick to topic or don’t respond at all
The few Muslims I’ve talked to here in Texas, (who are immigrants from Muslim countries, where Sharia Law is practiced), All say one of the reasons they wanted to immigrate was to get away from Sharia Law.
You seem to have changed the subject. Are you talking about the Sharia type law fundamentalist christians want to impose on those they choose to discriminate against?
there is not such thing as sharia law type that christians can impose o n anyone, It is the Lord God who weighs the hearts of mankind and if you cheat your neighbor does the Lord God not see it, and if you have an evil agenda does the Lord God not know it, we dont avenge ourselves, as the Lord speaks these Words, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay saith the Lord God, so we christians put ourselves under the Lord’s protection as He is our shield and refuge.
CINO. Stealing this. Want credit?
I call them CEO Christians. They only go to church on Christmas, Easter and Other holidays.
I was raised Methodist & we went to church nearly every Sunday. The only times we didn’t go were Easter Sunday & Christmas Sunday. We would wear our Easter finery on Palm Sunday & most often went to Christmas Eve Candle light service. My mom refused to go on the 2 big holidays because she said it was for the heathens who only went those 2 times a yearl
I actually go to church approximately 2 times a month. I’m self employed and work every Saturday and way too many Sundays.
see you need to take time for the Lord also as He is the giver of life and death.
who I beg your pardon I go to church twice on Sunday go to Bible study And help out those who cant fend for themselves, I dont just talk the talk, I also live it. so look to yourselves and do not point the fingers
you are way out there why did they take the Lord’s prayers out of the schools, they had respect you say for the children to learn about compassion and to honor their parents, do children honour their parents today? and you talk about respect, you hate the christians it is a fact because you would like freedom but instead you will find that you gain slavery to your sins instead. as only Christ can set you free from the bondage of sin.
Once again , you illiterate automaton…. we DO NOT want your stupid religion FORCED down our kids throats.
we dont want sexual orientation forced upon our children either, so keep it to yourself or teach it to your own children.
In return, we want people to stop coming to our homes and trying to convert us to their version of religion.
NO ONE teaches homosexuality.
oh those are the Jehovah witnesses just tell them you will pray for them and they will leave you alone, really dont care about their busybodies either. and I know homosexuals recruit as it is an entity that cannot survive without recruiting.
Homosexuals DO NOT RECRUIT. Get your facts together before you start blathering.
Other Christian sects besides Jehovah Witnesses do go door to door in order to convert. I argue the bible with them, and then they leave me alone for awhile, like you they cherry-pick from the bible.
No one is saying they don’t have the “right” to do it. Just saying they’re rude and stupid. And, in America, fortunately for many legislators, it is still legal to be a disrespectful, intellectually challenged, simpleton and a distasteful jackass, as long as you don’t harm anyone.
Everything in politics is
a game, on both side of the aisle. The democrat who got the wiccan prayer
in their government building did it for a reason. Maybe their trying to
“Lock Up” the Wiccan vote. The Christians may support the
people who turned their backs, and the Wiccans may support the person who got
them the prayer gig. I suggest that there are many democrat xians who
don’t like what she did. Almost no Wiccan will vote republicans but, how
many democrat xians will be upset at what the democrat did. All democrats don’t hold a “Far-Left” view of the country and all Republicans don’t hold the “Far-Right’ view of the world. It’s the people in the middle who decide the outcome of elections and I hope they didn’t appreciate this wiccan stunt. Maybe they did?
Rep. Bennett invited clergy of various faith traditions to present the invocation this session. She has a wide variety of folks in her district, and she’s quite strong on inclusion and equal justice under law. She’s not going to get any significant or statistically relevant blowback from her constituents.
I’m surprised this story hasn’t gotten much coverage. The only web site outside of Iowa who reported it is the Huffington Post.
Actually, terpmarty80, I’ve seen this story reported on Fox News Radio, Washington Post, Rawstory, CBN, World Religion News, and so on. It is out there.
yes well politicians know what to feed the public a religion that makes everyone feel good, but does that make it right and does the heart change when it is full of deceit and greed, and dishonesty?
Why are you against the First Amendment?
I’m not. A free press doesn’t guarantee a fair press. I believe the price the Media pays for bashing Christians for not selling a wedding cake to gays but giving Islam a free pass is their ratings will flounder, (Compare Fox News ratings to CNN or MSNBC’s ratings)
So, you think FOX is fair & balanced or is it just that they have great ratings? What as a nation will serve us best - Truth or good ratings? Personally, I long for the days when there were REAL JOURNALISTS. They reported the facts…Who, What, When, Where & WHY (& sometimes
How) & they managed to do so without pontificating, or offering their own spin. They assumed that their American audience could THINK for themselves & come to a conclusion…..I don’t think news should be subject to ratings & I think news should be factual. The difference between reporting in the USA & elsewhere is telling. Telling was the Paris Bombing. In France it was just the facts & the statement that when more was known it would be broadcast. In the USA that same bombing hels sway on all the news channels most of the day. Speculation after speculation…..theory after theory…. scene by scent… they gave the facts but weren’t content to just do so. pundit after pundit offered up their theory & question after question was asked of supposed people in the know. Lots of misinformation. For which France condemned every news station in America. Sometimes FACTS need to just be FACTS without pontification. God gave you a brain - He gave you 2 ears (hopefully working) & the means with which to listen & make decisions for yourself….Do you REALLY need Bill O’Reilly or Sean Hannity or Megan Kelly or one of those people or for that a Rachel Maddow or a Chris Wallace or anyone else to TELL YOU WHAT YOU HEARD? Do you really NEED their version; or can’t you trust your own? For that matter, do you really need a preacher to tell you what you read in the Bible?
So, you think FOX is fair & balanced or is it just that they have great ratings?
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Both
What as a nation will serve us best - Truth or good ratings?
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Truth
You “Long for the good old days”
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When there were only 3 stations, ABC, NBC, CBS
Sometimes Facts should be just facts
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EXAMPLE: Hillary’s Emails. It’s not about her private Emails. It’s about her private server. Jeb Bush used private emails but if he delted them, they could be easily recovered by the governments server. It’s Hillary’s private server that is the scandal because they can’t be recovered but the media keeps referring to her private emails, then saying “Jeb Bush did the same thing” It’s called “Lying by omission
or that matter, do you really need a preacher to tell you what you read in the Bible?
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I read the Bible. I use The Ten Commandments as a guide to live a “Happy, Healthy and Prosperous life” (Don’t lie, cheat, steal, covet thy neighbors wife or goat)
What invitation of a religious invocation would NOT be a “stunt” in your view?
Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster?
Scientology?
Islam?
Buddhism?
Hinduism?
Would she have been pandering to them as well?
You’ve got to be aware
that our laws were written on Judeo-Christian morals, right? You do know
that, right?
NO. our laws are not written on Judeo-Christian morals. They were based on many things - some of which were Native American. I know that David Barton & Mike Huckabee have tried their damnedest to tell people that the founding fathers were all Christian & based the constitution on the Bible….BUT you know that U U church I was talking about? The one the Wiccan lady was part of? Well most of the founding fathers were the first U of U U - they were Unitarian. Therefore they believed in GOD but they did not believe in the Trinity (quite a number of Unitarians were burned at the stake for heresy for their belief). The other part of the U stands for Universalist & the belief that everyone is saved, period. So, no Trinity. No belief in the divinity of Jesus & no need to be saved by him = a bunch of people who believed in the separation of church & state & who would have never enshrined Christianity in the constitution or any laws. As a matter of fact = Thomas Jefferson rewrote the Bible (It is this one that Barak Obama took his oath of office on) & took out all mention of diety including the virgin birth, the holy Trinity & his “miracles”. So you may THINK our laws are based on Judeo-Christian morals but they ARE NOT.
The people who believe our laws were not based on Judeo-Christian values want all of religion removed from everywhere. The phrase “Rights endowed by our Creator” means that man or government doesn’t give us rights, God does.
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You said:
As a matter of fact = Thomas Jefferson rewrote the Bible (It is this one that Barak Obama took his oath of office on) & took out all mention of diety including the virgin birth, the holy Trinity & his “miracles”.
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If he re-wrote it, IT’S NOT THE BIBLE
Whatever it takes to have a conversation with me, you don’t have it. Have a good day
Tell us how you reconcile blasphemy laws and the first amendment. Your Bible calls for blasphemers to be punished under the law, yet blasphemy is legal. Isn’t blasphemy immoral in Christianity?
Christ said that if a person is truly repentant all sins will be forgiven him/her, but the blasphemy against the Holy spirit will not be forgiven not now or in the age to come, It is to mock Christ suffering on calvary and blaspheming His Name.
You did not understand the question. Try again.
you do not understand that our God is a God of mercy and justice He cannot bear to walk with sin as notice adam and eve were driven out of paradise, christ was sent for us to regain paradise, by believing on His Word, with Adam came death for all with Christ eternal life for all whom are called and believe that Jesus is the Christ the son of the Living God, God bless
Creator does NOT mean god. Creator is actually a Native American term.
IMO, that was weak. A creator is one who create’s.
I think Obama swore on the Koran why did he have two bibles? He certainly is not a christian. Christians dont mock Christ suffering and condone homosexuality and or abortons to kill the child within. Once a woman opens her legs she hAs lost control of her body
You need serious psychological help
because you are too stupid to realize that this is true, once you let someone invade your body how then do you have control over it, you consented to same so bear the consequences of having consented and then make the tax payer responsible for your fun, lies and deceit are in your heart.
I am far from stupid. I believe you are thinking of yourself. I am not a sheep. I can think for myself. Unlike you. Taxpayers do not pay for abortions, you ignorant hack.
Remember that cute phrase … “JUDGE NOT”?
Pretty sure I din’t have any “fun” when I was raped. Nor did I “open my legs” or “consent”.
Not according to reality. But, your claim, your burden of proof. Also, tell us how Hammurabi’s Code was based on Judeo-Christian morals. Then, tell us how the morality of various social mammal species, especially primates, is based on Judeo-Christian morals. Then, tell us how the Enlightenment was based on Judeo-Christian morals.
Revising history to fit a dominionist cult’s narrative isn’t honest.
you have to remember that mankind had grown so wicked it grieved the Lord God He had created them, so He saved Noah a preacher of rightenous and the rest were drowned in the flood, the earth drifted apart and the continents were formed, as the earth before stood in and out of the waters before the flood, Then God chose for Himself a nation that would give honor and praise to His name. He chose Abraham and His descendant Isaac that In Isaac His seed would be called, Have you not heard how the Lord calls Himself the Lord God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, as out them would come the Messiah our Lord Jesus Christ the Holy One of Israel. whom also called us to believe on His Name and also receive the same promises as God promised to Israel, if we keep His commandments and believe on His Word
You could have just said, “I don’t know anything about history.” Or, you could have said nothing and nobody would have known that you know nothing about history. But, if there’s one thing that people love to do when they’re profoundly ignorant, it’s pontificate as though they aren’t profoundly ignorant.
“the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion” - Treaty of Tripoli, ratified unanimously by our Founders in the US Senate and signed by President Adams, 1797
You know that, right? You know you’re wrong, right?
Apparently you don’t know what the Treaty of Tripoli was about or you wouldn’t use that analogy.
And yet those are the exact words our Founders used, rather deliberately.
Yes, I very well know what it was about. I also know that we are not a Christian nation. We are a secular nation, that happens to have a plurality of Christians. I also know that the same basic values most of us share (golden rule, etc) are not unique to Christianity, nor of faith traditions in general.
Ummm.. no. Where’s your proof of that BS?
The Democrat who brought the Wiccan in did so because the Wiccan was a member of her U U Church. She doesn’t need to lock up any vote. As a U U, we have 7 Principles & we get our beliefs from many sources - Christianity & Judaism as well as Earth Centered religions such as Wiccan & Native American. It may have just been that simple.
Why assume that this was a “Wiccan stunt”?
The Democratic legislator is not a member of that church, the Wiccan Priestess is. The priestess is a constituent of the legislator’s.
so nothing that when adam and Eve sinned, they fell from grace no longer in the image of God, but greed hatred strife jealousy which are all sinfull entered paradise. and ever since we have tried to find our way back to Paradise but the Lord God promised He would sent a deliverer which is Christ our Lord, whom said “I am the way, the Truth and the Life, No One can come unto the father except through Me.” and wide is the road to destruction and narrow the gate to Life and few will find it.
I just might if I am ever in that situation. “Religious freedom” works BOTH ways.
lolol I guess you pretty well would turn your back on anybody, isnt that so? Just hope the Lord doesn turn His back on you when you are in desperate need.
why would satan worshippers want to take part in a christian prayer? neither do christians associate with those whom confess satan as their lord, Light cannot walk with darkness.
Exactly. It’s America, I support anyone turning their backs to any prayer. It is a sign of civil disobedience.
So, did all these republicans vote AGAINST or speak out against any of the recent “religious freedom” bills.
lol, don’t be silly. These Republicans only care about Xtianity, not any other kind of religion. Otherwise, they would have to vote NO on any of the recent religious freedom bills.
Wicca is an ancient religion that predates Christianity and has nothing to do with Satan worship.
Wicca is a modern religion based on ancient beliefs taken from witchcraft, and other pre-Christian ideas and reconstructed for modern times. It began in the 50’s. Not that this makes it any less valid. It could have started last week and I would consider it valid. Even Christianity was at one time new, and also based on other ancient beliefs. As much as they would like to ignore that.
Actually, Gerald Gardener started his “studies” in the 1890’s and the faith that spurned from it, started small around 1930, after his books were published. the likes of Buckland and such came years later. I do believe the woman Gerald worked with to write the faith was Diane Valiente
Gerald Gardener was born in 1884 and was not initiated until 1939. New Forest Coven also dates from around that time, the earliest might be the 1920’s. Wicca is a 20th Century reconstruction of ancient practices. It still does not pre-date Christianity. It did, however become popular, especially in the U.S. in the fifties when many of the books began getting published. I will admit to being off by a couple decades but not that Gardener was studying at 6 years old. You may be thinking of The Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn which predates Wicca, but is not Wicca.
Paganism predated christianity Wicca does not it is farely new but uses some pagan practices
Right Wing Conservative “Christian” Republicans have reached the point of being idiots now. This country was founded based on Freedom of Religion and now they are agreeing to that except if it a religion other than what “They” consider a Christian Religion. What will they do when a Rabbi is called to pray at the opening of a secession? Those so called “Christians” are gonna have a lot to answer for when they meet their Maker.
I doubt if when in Israel the rabbis call on a christian to lead them in prayer, so why would a christian country when a rabbi is visiting lead the country in prayers, you dont make sense.
Christianity is not the official religion of America, nor of any American state. Government is not a religious organization. This is why your analogy is completely stupid.
If we are a Christian Nation then we are not a Democracy. We cannot be both. A Theocracy is a form of government in which God or a deity is recognized as the supreme civil ruler, the God’s or deity’s laws being interpreted by the ecclesiastical authorities or a system of government by priests claiming a divine commission. As a Democracy, we are governed by a Constitution. There is a difference and it appears you do not know that difference. The last time religion ruled the world, that period in our history was referred to as The Dark Ages. It was a time when you adhered to “ONE” religion and if you did not then you were subject to be put to death. Is that what you want in a government? If it is then let me strongly suggest you move to Iran where there is a Deity in the Ayatollah. You might also take note of how our government officials are sworn into office.
I beg your pardon any country that practices democracy has always been a country that reveres the Lord God and His commandments. Notice in the dark ages Nero ruled from Rome and many religions were practiced rome had their own household gods, and when christianity was made known or the story of Christ’s resurrection, homosexuality was rampant and christians were thrown to the lions, and isnt that what is happening to day, so many different gods you worship in America and the christians once again become the scapegoats And you are turning back to the dark ages which you want to escape, you cant see the forest for the trees. Evil flourishes when people forsake the Lord their God and become arrogant and forget where their blessings came from your way America is doomed. your caption is wrong It should read “we swore to uphold the Word of God, written in the Holy bible” as governments come and go, people come and go, but God’s Word abides forever.
Australia has a parliament but it is still fairly “free” in terms of it’s people & yet it is mostly Atheist. Great Britain considers itself free but has the church of England at its head.France considers itself free. Their ideas about morality? Most of them aren’t for rounding up gays & killing them - as a matter of fact, gay marriage is accepted in those countries. Abortion is also accepted.
The Christians are not now, nor have they ever been scapegoats in America. The Christians precipitated the Dark Ages…So called not because of witchcraft but because the Church ruled & equated science with witchcraft.
Read some actual history books besides the Bible.
ha what about the spanish inquisition where everyone had to pay homage to Rome, the reason we believe the Vatican is really the Roman empire under the guise of christianity paying homage to popes instead of Ceasars, Hitler was a roman catholic but surely not a christian as He did not uphold the commandments “Thou shalt not kill” neither did those popes during the spanish inquisition. the true Christians know their God and Christ Jesus whom He sent, btw Christ has risen and no longer on the corss.
Someone should inform the French! They’d be surprised to hear this this, surely.
What do you expect from the Republicans..now honestly? The wiccan religion teaches Do No Harm ever…No satanic worship but a healing religion that is peaceful. We don’t put spells on people to cause boils or show hate to anyone..It is the healing religion. Celebrating all the universe, mother earth, and humanity. When you turn your back on a religion that only practices love and healing and not war mongering or hate you don’t follow the “Christian” way. Apparently most of these politicians don’t know that Easter and Christmas was based on Pagan/Wiccan holidays. Jesus actually was born in March you dummies and Easter was based on Eostre the Wiccan spring holiday..look it up morons..and Christmas was the start of the winter solstice..bringing winter greenery in your home…smh..and the Liberty and justice for all?? where did that come in..no where.
yes well it is not compatible with christianity as the Holy scriptures plainly tell that “Heaven is God’s throne and earth is His footstool. big difference than to go around worshipping mother earth, as we are to serve the Lord God alone, otherwise you are into idolatry.
“Religious freedom” only applies to the twisted version of “Christianity” practiced by Republicans.
so tell me what is the real and true christianity, is not to love the Lord your God and your neigbor as oneself, so how can you love your neighbor as oneself, when the love of God is not in you?
Frankly I’ve never seen anything but fear and hate from conservative so-called “Christians”. That’s certainly not part of any definition of Christianity I’ve ever heard. Also, the ability to love isn’t unique to Christians, religion in general, or even humans.
so you can love your cat, love your car, but to have a love for country or neighbour in ones heart does come from the Lord God, as love forself is foremost in any human being, Just think you are on your way home and you see a fire in the distance and you fear it is your home, you come closer and you see it is your neighbours home, do you not breathe a sigh of relief that it is your neighbours instead of your home, if you dont then you are truly not human and a hypocrite.
And hate the homos! Don’t forget hate the homos!
Ya know the major thing all “Christians” seem to forget the figure “Jesus” was NOT Christian he was a Jew—he was born a Jew, lived as a Jew, obeyed Jewish law, died as a Jew, he was a brown skinned Middle Eastern man with wiry hair and a full beard, he was circumcised as was the Jewish custom (and still is) and best of all his name was not “Jesus” his name was Emanuel and he had several brothers and sisters …there were 47 men and woman claiming to be the Messiah at the time and many met death at the hands of the Romans …so when the “Christians” of today profess to be like Jesus ask them “which one”
The other thing they forget is that he looked more lIke today’s Arabs than Brad Pitt. No Victoria, he wasn’t a European Caucasian.
While I get your point I must say there is no historic reason to believe any person named Jesu Bin Joseph ever existed or that his crucifixion ever took place. If Tacitus was referring to the Biblical Christ’s crucifixion, then the “supreme word of God’s New Testament” is off by about 50 years. Surely that is not possible.
Christianity is a Greek cult, an off-shoot of the rites of Dionysus. The pseudo middle-eastern origin tale comes fairly late to the myth-building. All this nonsense needs to be REMOVED from government, not other nonsense included. Anyone who wants to believe a lot of crap must keep it out of the office. No video games during work hours, you know?
Bin is feminine. Bar is masculine. He was Yeshua bar Yusef. If he was at all.
NOt true as Christianity is an offshoot of Judaism Christ Jesus came to perfect Judaism as He came not to abolish the laws but to fulfill them
How many M’s in Jesus’ name?
What justification do you have to think he ever came at all? The names “Jesus” is made up of the Hebrew letters, Yod, He, Shin, Vau, He. It is the Hebrew word for “the most high” with a Shin, which means a tooth, in the center of it. Obviously it is symbolic, not the name of a real person. The Catholic church was perhaps started by a schizophrenic Jewish tax collector, but Christianity was established in Greece decades before that. It was an off-shoot of the rites of Dionysus, the wine god (from his first miracle to his last supper “Jesus” dispensed wine). Dionysus was followed by 12 women. Jesus by 12 men. Hence homosexuality is built into the Christian mythos but Christians refuse to see the obvious symbols. Both Jesus and Dionysus were killed by the prevailing authorities unprepared to confront their evolving popularity. This is all mythology. Jesus was never a real person.
what if I tell you I have heard His voice and there is no other voice like the Lord G-d of Hosts, I would not be so skeptical if I were you. Since governments must be just in their hearts and the Lord onlyhears those who are of a just and good character, why not have them rule over the people, otherwise you get charlatans, whom fill their own pockets.
During this entire discourse my main concern is that you may think you “heard HIS voice.” If you are hearing the voice of an all-powerful spirit you are suffering from a mental disorder probably called schizophrenia. You do not need some charismatic preacher filling your head with dream of what happens when you’re dead. You need a psychiatrist and I am not insulting you or kidding you. There is no empiric reason to think there are all-powerful spirits, much less that they are talking to you.
If you were me you wouldn’t be insane and hearing voices from being that don’t exist. I unequivocally refuse to be legislated to by YOUR religion.
I agree, I believe in the Lord Christ Jesus whom came to call sinners to repentance, and that by believing on Him and His Word, that He is the Messiah the Redeemer of Israel, who paid the penalty for us whom believe as He took on the wrath of God for our transgressions, so that the Lord looks on us with favour and forgives us our trespasses solely for the sake of Christ Jesus, work of redemption at Calvary.
we cant be like Christ Jesus as He was without sin, and we look to Him to guide us, as He is the first born of the lord God of Israel but by asking Him into our hearts so that His Word finds room in us, He keeps us and is a lamp unto our feet. It is only we are justified by faith in Him and death will no longer have any dominion over us when we truly accept Christ as our Redeemer and the Holy One of Israel, whom reconciles us to the Lord God of Israel.
Sienen That is fine that you feel that way personally… the old saying what ever floats your boat comes to mind …However, the majority of the world does not believe as you do …if you are trying to say that just because you believe in that invisible guy in the sky …that guy that sees everything all 6,000,000,000, and growing, of us are doing … and if we violate one of his “rules” then he will punish us with fire, pain, unbelievable suffering, for eternity…but he loves us and he forgives us …and he needs money lots and lots of money in fact he needs 10% of everything you earn be it gold or worms …I’m sorry but there are a growing number of us that opened our eyes one day to realize that the whole concept of any organized religion, cult, scam is to control people and to get wealthy …and if you don’t believe me than just look at the “Church of Scientology”, the Mormons.. now there are some real “believers”
well I believe I did mention that the Lord weighs the hearts of mankind, and sent Christ as G-d knew that no one was able to uphold all of the laws, as you break one you break them all, the reason Christ said “Think not that I have come to abolish the law but to fulfill it.So when we turn to Christ and ask forgiveness of our transgressions, with a contrite spirit and broken in heart, the Lord does not despise our repentance and sends His Holy spirit into our hearts to cleanse our hearts And to give praise to the Lord God of Israel, whom forgives us our trespasses solely for the sake of Christ redemptive work done at CAlvary. God bless
As an atheist, I believe all religions are full of it. GIGO.
Now you’re talking. Get all this crap out of government. Pray on your own time.
As a non-Atheist, I disagree. But I think we can agree that, while it would be best to not have prayers of any sort as part of our government, if they are going to allow one, they must allow all. I, personally, would not mind seeing an Atheist deliver a “non-prayer” or invocation of rational thought to open the session. Our politicians could definitely benefit from a dose of rational thinking.
lets hear what an athiest has to say, something like Hitler whom by the way was a roman catholic but turned athiest and that is what you want in your government, dont you have enough of it already?
Hitler, never turned Atheist. He believed that his crusade was a Christian one & he publicly said so. If you are going to use history to make a point, make sure it isn’t whitewashed history. Hitler was never an Atheist - he may have been deranged, psychotic & unbalanced - but he always believed he was Christian.
Actually, lately we have too much religion in our government so, yes we do have enough of “IT” already.
not so as the christian is taught the commandments “thou shalt not kill” so how could Hitler be a christian at heart? He was indoctrinated by the roman catholic church, but then this church is only the roman empire disguised as christianity now people paying homage to the popes instead of ceasars, they are not true christians they worship idols and statues.
So, because there was once an evil man who claimed to be an Atheist, all Atheists must be evil? By that reasoning, since there are child molesters who claim to be Christian, all Christians must be child molesters. Since we both know that isn’t true, why don’t you try using some of that rational thought I mentioned?
not true a person can claim to be a christian but if he molest children he is a wolf among the sheep. we are suppose to know christians by their fruit and molesting children is not from the Lord God, Look at Judas a disciple of Christ our Lord but in the end did he not betray our Lord for thirty pieces of silver the Lord knows whom are His as He chastens everyone whom He receives to show us what is not good within us. He refines us as silver is refined. in the fire.
A person can claim to be anything. That was my point. You are trying to claim that all Atheists are like Hitler, because he claimed to be an Atheist. You can’t have it both ways. If you say all Atheists are like Hitler, then *by your reasoning* all Christians must be like the worst of those who claim to be Christians. I say that all people are individuals and making false comparisons shows a lack of critical thinking skills. Atheists, as a group, are no better and no worse than any other group.
most athiest I believe do follow some sort of a behaviour rule but still it is a self serve rule I believe that only serves themselves and those that are their friends. they are no worse than any other sinner, except those of us who know we are sinners but have given our life over to Christ and trust in His Word, are justified by faith in Christ that is the difference between an athiest and a christian
Most Christians I know do follow some sort of a behavior rule but still it is a self serving rule that I believe only serves themselves and those that are their friends. The difference is that most Atheists I know believe that they and only they are responsible for their actions and the consequences thereof. Most Christians I know believe that the Devil is responsible for their bad acts and they are automatically forgiven for them as long as they are sorry. Personal responsibility is the difference between Christians and Atheists.
Lol you copied me, No christians are also responsible for their actions as when we believe in Christ and His Word, God pours His love into our hearts and the spirit convicts us when we do wrong so unless one has been reborn of the Holy spirit, then one does not take responsibility for their deeds, but make excuses, not so a true christian as the spirit convicts him/her, then one turns to Christ for the forgiveness of the transgression. One has to be truly sorry make restitution and try not to repeat same, so as not to hold up the Lord to shame once again, as to sin wilfully there is only fear of judgment for the true christian, there are many false christians whom believe a priest can forgive their sinfull ways. pay so much into the poor box and al is forgiven, i.e Roman catholicism.
As far as I am concerned NO ONE should pray in government buildings. Separation of church and State. Allowing someone to pray before a session is anything BUT separation of church and State! PERIOD!
yes well then one would have to cut off all thoughts as the prayers come from the heart, or even evil thoughts come from within the heart, as the heart is very deceitfull. would the Lord God whom created you not know how deceitfull the heart really is?
If you wish to pray in your head that is your business and is of no offense to anyone. You can silently pray to the great pumpkin or any other imaginary god you want to believe in. It is when you open your mouth and bother others with your spook in the sky that is a problem.
so then what is you would bother the people with what is going on in your heart? as from the heart comes deceit lusts, wicked thoughts, so what would you replace the love of God with in someone else’s heart?
Intolerance is as old as history itself. So those that are offended by the behavior of so-called Christians in respond to this woman’s gentle words, Understand one thing. These people Do Not Care about your freedoms or beliefs, and that, sadly, is their prerogative. But they are not content to merely disagree. When given or provided the chance, They will do everything in their power to strip you of your rights and beliefs! It’s happening everyday in this Country, and it must be stopped. This isn’t some kind of half-baked conspiracy theory. Look around and see what’s taking place in states like Missouri and Kansas, to name only a few. This is a far greater danger to a free America than any Middle-Eastern terrorist group could ever inflict upon us!
you are nuts do you not what is threatening America is unbelief, mocking Christ suffering and worshipping homosexuality which they use to reach the young adults as it cannot survive without recruiting,and then where are you when the Lord God turns His back onto America. When you will seek Him but wont be able to find Him?
Funny, the same things could be said about Christianity. Targeting youngsters so it can recruit them to keep the religion going.
By the way, when two siblings have the same experiences growing up, but one turns out gay, how do you explain that? More to the point, how many gay people do you know personally?
It is true that parents promise to bring up the children in the faith of the Lord, though not all children do follow some become rebellious and besides the child had to make a confession of faith at a certain age and is free to do or not but parents always pray that the child will come back into the fold. and it is not a sexual thing being enslaved by sinfull behaviour but rather taught to look to Christ for guidance and hope. my husband aunt was gay, very strange ladies, and very jealous of one another, not very good examples for my children, I dont think they ever were happy with anything,
WOW - you do have a one track mind, don’t you. I don’t think you really answered Randy’s question. So according to you the gay child is just rebellious? Maybe you just saw your husband’s aunt & her partner with your Christian judging eyes & never really knew them at all.
lol really you are now presumpteous I saw them as strange people whom were so obsessed with one another, and really what example were they for my children? the aunts pardner the poor father was the only daugher he had and he yearned for grandchildren so why are they so involved with the self and give so much grief to others?
I didnt say that I said that some children even after the parents bringing them up in the faith may rebel and leave the religion or simply stop going to church where the parent would continue to pray for them. a child whom is gay could be the mother wanting a boy and dressing her girl as a boy or a someone wantng a girl and dressing them as a boy and instilling their passions in them. or they could be recruited by skilful homosexuals there are such people you know, so dont know where you are coming from they are not born that way, unless they are spawns of satan isnt that what Christ told the pharisees or even John the baptist called them a brood of vipers?
At what age would you say it would be reasonable to expect a person to decide upon which political party they support or affiliate with?
I would suggest 18 years of age and probably like some I know they vote whatever their parents voted, most never deviate from the same path not asking what this person stands for, but their voting is almost like a tradition in the family. and one mustnt depart from that tradition. which shows I believe a lack of knowledge and wanting to know whom would serve the people best.
If one of your children, or even all, turned out gay, what would you do?
I would pray the Lord they would repent of same and preach to them that it is wrong, I would think they would not come near me, because they would know they would not be welcome unless they acknowledged that Christ is Lord and saviour which I am afraid they would not accept as they are ensnared by satan which does not acknowledge that Christ has defeated him at Calvary, they would not like me reading Holy scripture to them so to me they would be lost.
What if they converted to a different religion?
I would prefer they converted to a different religion than what my church taught, I would still pray for them and ask the Lord to find His little sheep whom have lost the way, remember the lord went looking for the sheep that was lost and there is more joy in heaven in one sheep whom is found than over 99 that never went astray. God bless.
But, you wouldn’t be constantly berating them about leaving your religion like you would berate them if they were gay? Why does one warrant hectoring and the other not?
because the sin of lusting after strange flesh is not the same kind of sin as wanting to hear other preachers, as the Lord knows whom are his children, and so He may have a use for mine in a different church than the one I attend. as Long as the redeeming grace of our Lord Jesus Christ is preached. as there are different degrees of sins, as one can tell in Leviticus that there were different sacrifices for the degree of the sins committed. the unblemished Lamb of course was the token of forgiveness for all of the people which was offered once a year, as without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins. and Christ sealed the new covenant with His blood, Jeremiah 31 verse 31
Did Christ comman the army to slaughter my ancestors at Sand Creek? What a merciful god indeed.
since Christ came to call mankind to repentance why are men still trying to kill one another and forcing others to mock the name of Christ our Lord?
lolol gentle words and I am sure Adam and eve were not offended by the gentle words of Lucifer, who told them not to believe the Lord God but listen to him instead, that old serpent the devil.
In a country that practices religious freedom for everyone; shouldn’t respect be shown when another faith has been invited to offer up a prayer?
… and did that guy just say it was against his “principalities”? Is he a ruler and does he have countries?
So why then was the Lord;s prayer taken out of the schools where was the respect then for the Lord saying “Suffer the children to come unto me and forbid them not?”
Let’s imagine how long it would be to have every. single. group. lead a prayer at school in the morning. That would certainly cut down on learning time. Or did you just mean YOURS, dear?
ha, but you see the Prayer starts of with “Our Father in heaven, Hallowed be Thy Name….etc. so you see it includes everyone, unless you dont believe there is God in heaven who knows your coming and goings, and since He created your eyes and ears do you believe He doesnt see or hear? and doesnt it unite everyone as the rest goes “And forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us and lead us into temptation but deliver us from evil, For Thine is the Kingdom the Power and the Glory forever and ever. see how it unites everyone and makes us all equal in His eyes.
It does NOT include everyone. Not everyone is christian.
So what is wrong with praying “OUr Father who art in heaven” does that not include those whom believe that the Lord God creator of heaven and earth exists? athiests of course could build their own schools and teach I dont know what.
Some, apparently, are more equal than others when they stand at their pulpit and prosthelytize at others because only their dogma is the one true religion.
Those of us who don’t believe try to show respect; but not when it’s shoved down our throats.
I’ll tell you as politely as I tell the people who knock on my door.
Go away.
Do you know we are close to the second coming of the Lord, and of course satan is working overtime knowing that is time is short.
I dont knock on your door, as it is the Lord whom knocks at your heart and the Word “Do not harden your heart as they did in the wilderness and ten thousand fell in one day”
Because we don’t want our kids to have your religion forced upon them.
I dont understand why people cant understand it is not forced, if the child heart is rebellious no way the Word of God will find room in their hearts, the Word is preached and if the child has free will to open up to the Word of God or reject it, there is never any force in it, Christ said ”
Suffer the children to come unto me for theirs is the kingdom of heaven” I think it is pretty hard to fool a child it is only after they come to know the ways of the world are they deceived by athiest teachings and sexual orientation which by the way is forced upon them.
As a Christian, I am appalled. UU recognizes Jesus’ teaching, they just don’t outright call him our savior. Instead, they encourage membership to learn about all religions, so they can decide for themselves what to believe.
As for WWJD, I do think he would silently protest, however he would not have done so in a way that others would have recognized what was happening. I think what the “protesters” here did, was attempt to use this for political gain with their supporters.
How do you know what Jesus would do? You think he would silently protest, but you will not consider the possibility that he would bow his head in prayer as a sign of respect for another’s religion?
I am not a Christian, but when I attend Christian weddings, funerals, etc I will bow my head during their prayers as a sign of respect. I wish for Christians to treat other religions with the same respect that they demand for theirs.
From my post: “he would not have done so in a way that others would have recognized what was happening”. In other words, I believe he would have bowed his head.
you have forgotten that people were drawn to Christ they followed Him, and He always was in authority, people cAme to listen to Him, Christ did not come to hear others preach as He told you and everyone “I am the way the Truth and the Life, No one can come unto the Father except through Me.” so you see she would have to come to Him and listened to Him speak, unless she was an unbeliever or possessed with an evil spirit
Mab we cant as the lord God gave the commandment “thou shalt have no other gods before Me, because I am a jealous God visiting the iniquities of the fathers unto the third and fourth generation” why should He not be jealous of His creation and let others receive the glory due to Him alone?
There are many, many other religions besides Christianity. You may believe that He is the only one to receive the glory, and that is your right, but please remember not all are Christians and their religions also deserve basic respect.
they can believe whatever but there is only one Redeemer and that Is Christ as everyone has to appear before His throne and give account of themselves, at least I know I have given His name to many of you as there is no other name under heaven whereby one can be saved. I rest my case.
And that is your belief and you have the right to believe that. If I choose to believe in another deity, deities, or none at all, that is MY belief and more importantly, MY RIGHT.
Freedom of religion doesn’t just cover Christianity, it covers ALL religions. If I choose to pray at bushes like Captain Tuttle, that is MY right to do so. If I choose the worship in the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, that is MY right to do so.
There are many religious paths in life. I will choose MY path and it is not Christianity. All that is asked is that you give the same amount of respect to other religions as you would demand for Christianity.
but your religion doesnt have any foundation to stand on. If you leave the children alone and not force your ideas upon them we are fine with this, but dont force your religion upon the little ones either, as then you would offend our Lord and saviour Christ Jesus whom said. “Suffer the children to come unto me for of such is the kingdom of heaven”
MY religion doesn’t have any foundation to stand on? MY religion has existed for thousands of years before Christianity. YOU have NO idea what my religion is.
Furthermore, you conveniently forget that Christianity stole many ideas from other religions. If Christianity has a foundation, why steal from other religions. For instance, the birth of Jesus did not take place on December 25th (there have been several other times of the year that his birth may have occurred based on what is in the New Testament), the Roman Catholic Church co-opted the festivals of Yule and Saturnalia to celebrate Christ’s birth in order to expand membership.
Easter is a “moveable feast”. The dates are chosen based on the spring equinox and the first full moon after the spring equinox-and that is pagan in origin. What do chocolate rabbits and dyed eggs have to do with the death & resurrection of Christ?
Why would you even bring children into this? We don’t go out into the public trying to convert people, unlike many Christian sects.
For someone who likes to proclaim belief in Christ, you are very unlike him.
Now you are assuming as I never said I believe Christ was born on December 25th it was the roman catholic church made this up, I am not roman catholic, and neither do I believe in easter bunnies or dyed eggs the fertility goddess, as Rome included many ideas from Egypt and their religion.
we teach our children that Christ had a great love for them, rebuking his disciples whom forbade them to come to Jesus “Suffer the Little children to come unto Me for of such is the kingdom of heaven.” why would a child not be glad to hear these Words Christ spoke?
I see that you not only don’t read the Christian bible, but you also know nothing of Christianity’s history. Come back and talk when you actually read the bible and study the history of the Christian church.
I am a Wiccan. Shall I start turning my back and protesting Xian prayers? I have always bowed my head and shown respect, I wish to be treated as I treat others.
I hear wiccans dance naked in the moonlight is there any truth in this? sounds very creepy
But, walls strewn with images of a man nailed to a cross to die isn’t “creepy?”
yes but that is the Vatican and roman catholicism which we dont consider to be christian as Christ has risen and is no longer on the cross, this is an idol or icon which we are forbidden to make, as no knows what Christ looked like, the Vatican we believe is the roman empire now under the guise of Christianity with popes at the head instead of Ceasars. where they now give homage to these same popes instead their ceasars.
Sorry, I grew up Methodist & we had photos of Jesus crucified, especially at Easter.
Did nobody ever explain that He has risen as there were two others beside Christ who was crucified, so which one do they keep on the cross the empty cross is the symbol of Christ being victorious in defeating satan and death.
photo is a different thing that having Christ still upon the cross, as do they know which one they have still on the cross, as Christ was crucified along with two robbers, No One knows what Christ looked like and they sold splinters of the supposedly cross for much money, it is idolatry in the highest form.
Actually, images of Jesus being crucified are common among many sects of Christianity.
no it is more a catholic thing plus maybe some Lutheran churches as Martin luther was also at one time indoctrinated by the roman catholic church but was against them taking indulgences and not letting the people read the Bible for themselves.
Yet, with the freedom to read the Bible, you have yet to do so.
what is it you really want from me, your interpretation of the Bible would not correspond to mine, as yours is not grounded in faith that the Lord will explain His Word to me, the same as He expounded His Word to His disciples when they did not always fully understood the meaning of His Word. try it some time ask Him to give you insight and understanding into the Word He spoke and lived while walking on earth, doing the will of the Father in heaven, so that we also could receive forgiveness and find favour with the Lord God solely for the sake of Christ and His redemptive work done at Calvary. God bless
I never could understand why an instrument of torture and death became the favored symbol of Christianity.
It depends on tbe tradition followed, whether solitary or the coven, the sabbats, the circles, the lesser sabbats etc., Though if on a crlebration of Beltane, Midsummers the spirit does take one to honor the Lady thus…
I am sure a celebration of love and nature is likely not as creepy as drinking the blood and eating the flesh of man who died horribly on a cross 2000 years ago. Praying to craven images of a man suffering great pain nailed to a piece of wood and wearing a crown is considered an act of piety. Or wearing little men crucified and hanging from your neck is not creepy. But you mock my beliefs? A religion that rather than a list of “Thou Shalt Nots” our law is, “And it harm none, do what you will”
So you may think asking sarcastic questions so you can passive agressively insult my beliefs. Especially
as I indicated that I am respectful of others beliefs; is cute. Though I can assure you it is not.
I worship nature, but I can prove that it exists. Blessed Be Sientje.
we dont eat the flesh of Christ or drink His blood the roman catholics believe in transubstantiation, but it is not true as Christ is the Word made flesh, So His Word is the bread of life and the wine is a symbol of Him shedding His blood for the forgiveness of our sinfulness. the Vatican still have Christ on the cross, He is no longer on the cross, He has risen, they are fallen into idolatry with this, so we believe the Vatican is the roman empire which is disguised as christianity with popes at the head instead of Ceasars, the roman empire is still very much alive with their household gods. and do as you will is that not the same forcing your will upon others, whether they are comfortable with it or not? as not everyone human beings will is subject to seeking the good of others instead of their own?
Oh my Goddess, you are one of those Fundamentalists who hate everyone who doesn’t believe exactly like you. Whereas in my beliefs we respect others’ beliefs and our one unbreakable commandment is that we can do whatever we want provided We. Do. Not. Harm. Anyone. Else. Yes, very creepy indeed.
My Xian friends would argue I live closer to Matthew 20:40-45 than most Xians they know.
I could list the many ways you are wrong and argue scripture with you (because I have forgotten more about Theology than you will ever know) but I know your kind. You’re the zealous, self righteous, holier than thou type that will discount any reason or anybody else’s beliefs/knowledge is not worth my time. I could argue that if indeed your Christ has risen, He would frown upon your hatred of other people. Oh I know your kind. You Fundies are the modern day Pharisees, surely you know how your God loathed the Pharisees. His preaching against them is what got Him killed.
Blessed Be Sientje.
not so as the :Lord Himself does not condone wickedness, why not read Psalm one, where it tells you that the wicked shall not flourish but are like chaff which the wind blows away. No the Lord also said “Jacob I loved but Esau I hated” dont you ever ask why the Lord would speak like this? and what about “Take not vengeance into your own hands but wait for the Lord, “Vengeance is mine, saith the Lord, and I will repay.” so if someone believes that killing the child within is not doing harm, it becomes acceptable? and to whom? are you then not your own judges which decide what is good and what is evil? so evil could easily become justified?
I love how you are selective when claiming to be a true Xian. Abswer these questions honestly:
Do you eat shellfish?
Wear polyblend clothing?
Go into hiding when you’re menstruating?
Keep kosher?
Observe the Sabbath (sundown Friday to sundown Saturday)?
Were a virgin when married?
…etc…
If you are going to throw Old Testament at me, be assured I can throw it back at you. Also I didn’t say anything about abortion. Making some assumptions aye?
Excellent reply.
BTW I have forgotten more about Christisn Theology/Thesophy/History than you will never know. So before you go on being offensive, consider that being an @sshole is not a Xian value.
What’s creepy? DIdn’t your God make us in his image? Isn’t that image perfect and holy? No less creppy than drawing and quartering people for refusing to become Christian.
since Adam and Eve fell from grace we are no longer in the image of God, as we now also inherited the traits of jealousy, hatred, strife, murder covetousness, only by turning to Christ for forgiveness of same and asking Him to come into our hearts, Is He able to conform us into His image and make us become children of God, as with Adam all died, with christ we are promised eternal life.
As Creepy as reenacting the crucifixion to include nailing to a cross?
yes I believe the maker Mel Gibson of the Passion of Christ went quite mad for awhile as one must have a healthy fear of the Lord.
I was referring to some Christians in Brazil who actually have themselves nailed to a cross.
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I was referring to an actual reenactment of crucifixions in the Phillipines, nailing and all.
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You have a healthy fear of your Lord?
Care to explain why the main symbol of Christianity is a method of torture, and why Christians believe they are eating the flesh and drinking the blood of a murdered man during communion?
There you go again equating true Christianity with roman catholicism it is not true christianity, but rather potpouri of christianity, paganism and worshipping of statues. the cross actually at that time that was the method Romans used to put anyone to death whom was suppose ot be guilty of treason, as this was also prophesied the reason Christ came at the right time. It was our sinfulness that put Him on the cross, like jealousy, hatred, strife, murder covetousness these things put Christ on the cross as He bore the wrath of God for us for these sins, which the Lord God of Israel cannot abide, so therefore by accepting Christ He reconciled us back into favour with the Lord God, as Christ sealed the new covenant with His blood, jeremiah 31 vere 31 as without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins.
I highly doubt that Roman Catholics would see themselves as not being truly Christian.
It is sad that you cannot see beyond your narrow view and give basic respect to others and their beliefs. For someone who proclaims to be such a Christian, you DO NOT follow Christ in his actions. If you want respect, you also need to give it.
Despicable and DEPLORABLE behavior!
IF a member who was NOT christian turned their back on a christian prayer these same reTUGlicans would be screaming bloody murder! That their beliefs were being attacked! That those who turned their backs were being disrespectful, causing disruption in the proceedings, wronging them, etc. They would be screaming at the top of their lungs at the OUTRAGE.
These people are about as “christian” as the Westboro Baptist Church or the KKK!
I think it would be great if all the non-Christians managed a choreographed simultaneous fart in protest during the Christian prayer. Now that would make headlines.
you know what I believe that when the Lord turns His back on America, you people will end up killing one another because of greed, or you will be shut up in your homes not being able to trust yourselves or your neighbours
Greed? I have seen greed practiced by so called evangelists preaching the word of God. How do you explain Pat Robertson telling a widow that she should go without food or medicine to contribute her tithe to his 700 club? Explain Joel Olsten’s jets & his mansions & his mega churches? How about John Hagee? That is greed at it’s finest. These people would takes someone’s last cent & say “God will bless you because you have helped spread His word” - but wouldn’t help when that person starved to death.
that is true there are wolves among us sheep, the Lord even warns us about them, and remember there is big money in religion Notice the palace in Rome and all those cardinals wearing gucci shoes, I agree but these will still have to stand before the Lord judgment seat and give account of themselves.
Don’t be so silly. “The Lord” has no back to turn. He’s not real, you numskull.
no we would not scream, we would pray for you that the Lord may not harden your heart, and to come to know the true God and Christ Jesus whom He sent. Repent
Why would any enlightened person want the blessings of some intangible being that asks his worshipers to sacrifice their kids, turns a blind eye to rape and murder and all other horrors committed in his name, whose followers STOLE every part of their belief system from older belief systems, who hasn’t made an appearance in any form for over 2000 years, who keeps silent instead of silencing those in the Westboro Baptist Church or the KKK?
And yes, those same reTHUGlicans turning their backs on a Wiccan priestess offering a prayer are the same ones that would be screaming at the top of their lungs if someone else turned their back on any “christian” or “jewish” person of faith giving an opening prayer!
If I wanted salvation I would ask for it. I ask the higher powers to open your mind and show you the fallacy of your belief system.
And where do you get that about sacrificing children, whom condones abortions is it not the people whom vote this in, and who condones homosexuality? and what did the Lord whom chose the Israel nation to deliver them out of slavery say. Did He not speak these Words, I have delivered you out of Egypt and slavery with a Mighty Hand, not because you were few in number, And I drove out other nations before You whom practiced abominable and detestable things in my sight,” what kind of things do you suppose those people practiced, and since rape of a person is done by satan as God cannot abide with sin and lies, notice how Adam lost touch with the Lord God after he disobeyed the Lord and listened to satan really you need to stop listening to satan and give heed to the voice of the Lord our God. and Look to Israel how He has kept His promise concering them, the ground lay fallow all those years no one could make it become fruitfull, until the Jews returned and the Lord God blessed them with abundance in the land.
Try reading your bible again, cover to cover, and pay attention to those parts you skimmed over. That is where I got all of those things.
you are talking about the amelikites and molech tribes that sacrificed children to their gods, and the lord God drove out other nations before the Israelites whom practiced abominable and detestable things among themselves there were also the canaanites which worshipped certain plants or animals but dont you know that the Lord Chose a people for Himself whom abhorred these practices,
And have you forgotten that Abraham was right at the point of plunging the knife into Isaac’s chest as Jehovah commanded so Jehovah could see how far he would go?
How about all the innocent children of other nations killed by the tribes of Israelite?
The first born children of Egypt wipe out by Jehovah’s plague?
You really need to pay more attention when you read.
Abraham knew the Lord God as the heart has to be right with the Lord God, Abraham believed the Lord God and it was counted to him as being righteous you may find yourself different in heart when you start believing on His Word, as without faith one cannot please the Lord God creator of heaven and earth, and notice how Isaac trusted his father Abraham also.
You just refuse to admit that it is a DEPLORABLE and horrible thing for a deity to do to ask a man to kill his son as a sacrifice even as a test. That is NOT the behavior of loving and benevolent deity!
And how about that same God or deity offered up His own Son, whom was willing for to redeem you out of satan’s power and set you free from fear of death and the grave?
You really, REALLY need to actually read your bible instead of just carrying it to church. Here’s a sample for you to read and remember:
Matthew 7:3-5King James Version (KJV)
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.
How about they just skip prayers altogether. A moment of silence would be fine, if they HAVE to do something. How about they care less about prayers and just do their job?
What do they need a moment of silence for? To get their thoughts together? When I’m paying you, pray on your own time! There’s enough nonsense in these meetings already.
Ithink they need to discern the motives within their hearts what is their motives are not honorable would the Lord God not know it, as christians are accountable to the One and only true God, the creator of the universe and christ Jesus whom He sent.
If they’re that narrow minded perhaps they shouldn’t be involved in politics at all.
His time would be better spent praying homosexuals get into heaven.
lol that is true, but the homosexuals need to turn from their sinfull ways and ask the Lord to cleanse their hearts of carnal sin, as the Lord weighs the hearts of mankind, and out of the heart come evil thoughts, fornication, lusts, greed, etc. so when one wants to become a child of God, one needs to turn to Christ and ask Him to come into his/her heart.
Taylor doesn’t know his Jesus well, does he. Jesus never taught another religion. He was Jewish and came out against the Jewish leaders who were getting rich and arrogant and hobnobbing with the Romans. He taught that god was about forgiveness. He taught that it was wrong to not be inclusive. He needs to go back and read the Bible, the New Testament especially, and not attend Bible studies “interpreted” by a creepy dominionists.
Jesus didnt teach inclusiveness, As He told the gentile woman He was sent to the House of Israel, and it was only because she believed on Him that her faith saved her, If one does not believe that Jesus is the Christ the Son of the Living God, then they are not of His flock either, as they would mock and despise Him,t he same as the pharisees did.
Oh well. Then you guys are free to persecute other religions then. But let me remind you we live in the United States, and you haven’t turned it into a stinking Christian theocracy yet. Your preachers and conservative politicians have NOT been ordained by god. The people who turned their backs are traitors to our country.
Dot but did the Lord say that everyone would receive Him in their heart and listen to His voice, Did He not say after calling Israel to repentance “Other sheep I have whom are not of this fold them I must also bring” and “Fear not little flock it is my Father;s good pleasure to give your the kingdom” doesnt sound like millions and millions that are elected by the Father to listen to christ and His Word. Just pray that you may be found worthy to serve the Good shepherd whom laid down His life for the sheep.
Religion has the capacity to be the most divisive thing in our country and it could be the most uniting one also. We know which one the Republican “Christians” have chosen.
Religion only unites when everybody agrees about it. Religions are about two core principles: what their members believe, and how to identify non-members. The foundation of religion is division.
the foundation is Christ our Lord, who unites us with others whom also believe on His Word or name and so we become brothers and sisters in Christ but not everyone relies on the Word of God, or has His laws written on their hearts and minds.
That’s a lot of words to say, “I agree.”
I hate Christian bigots more than almost anyone else. “What would Jesus do?” LOL. BTW, it’s Yeshua, who was a Jew, not the blond-haired, blue-eyed Jesus idiots in the South worship.
Why are we bigots because we confess Christ as our Lord and saviour? I agree that Christ was begotten of the Holy spirit sent to the House of Israel, but since Christ was with the Lord G-d at the beginning of creation, “Before Abraham, I Am” He chose the lowly womb to make His entry into the World as Mary was a prophesy fullfilled. she was of the line of David. I Know the Jewish people call our Lord Yeshua, and since the Lord G-d had chosen the descendants of Abraham Isaac and Jacob was sent to the Jewish people first then after to the gentiles, as salvation is of the Jews.
You’re bigots because you claim to love everyone and judge not, but yet you judge everyone and hate everyone different than you.
Susan that what you believe I dont love everyone, the Lord does call everyone to repentance, does not necessarily mean that I love everyone. I am courteous to everyone as much as it is in me, Even the lord God said Jacob I loved but Esau I hated. The Lord does not despise those whom are broken hearted or those whom come to Him with contrite heart and humble in heart, and we are to judge with righteous judgment, and did you not judge me with your above statement, which is hardly true, I speak about the love of God which was manifested in Christ Jesus which homosexuals mock by not repenting of their sinfull ways, It is not me that condemns them It is the Word of God, which is never broken.
We need to create a FREEDOM FROM RELIGION BILL and take that Church and State Separation, seriously. This is OUT OF HAND! Not to mention, just rude! I guess they forgot Matthew 6:5 again….keep all your ramblings at HOME! Do all religions get the tax cuts on their “churches”?
so you would rather take over the christian hospitals and do away with them also? and charities no more as why not let the homeless die on your streets and make way for the lewdness of the gay parades instead, and forcing children into slavery It will happen if you keep on persecuting those whom the Lord loves and are of His sheep.
The last time I checked, the First Amendment guaranteed Freedom of Religion for ALL.
even freedom from you spouting what you believe should be taught to the children, now that is freedom for me, but not freedom for you.
So, in other words, you believe everyone in America who is not Christian to be second-class citizens who do not deserve protection under the First Amendment?
What would Jesus do the politician asked? Well since he feels justified to answer for Jesus then I will too. I will tell you what Jesus would do, he would take his hand and slap it to his face out of frustration for what these types of Christians have done to his teachings and his name. I really believe that Jesus would welcome the priestess and her faith lovingly into the chambers and reply at the end of her prayer with a loud, booming AMEN. That’s what I think Jesus would do.
you are now speaking for our Lord and saviour” so did Peter remember and know what the Lord answered Peter? “Get behind me satan, because you do not know the things of God” and no Christ would cast out demons and evil spirit from among the people and make those whom were sick well, as He made the blind see, and the lame walk, Christ Has risen.
JESUS WAS NOT A CHRISTIAN! Jesus did not believe in religion or practice religion. He most certainly would not have protested this. Give me a break.
Sooooo…..if a group of people create a religion around the dude who didn’t believe in or practice religion…wouldn’t that make CHRISTIANITY the anti-christ?
I have a friend who studied Jesus’ life abroad with very well-renowned scholars and he said what he found out almost made him become an atheist! He said the life of Jesus was NOTHING like the bible story. I told him about a documentary I’d found called “Beyond Belief” and he watched it and said THAT was what he learned in his teachings. Go to: beyond me film . com …..and find the film called Beyond Belief. Excellent film!
Jesus came to perfect Judaism He went into the synagogues and preached the prophets and that the prophesy had been fulfilled that day. He healed He made the Lord God of Israel known to us, do you know the Lord God of Israel, whom is the creator of Heaven and earth, He showed the Lord Gods mercy and compassion on those that called upon Him. but also showed God’s justice by driving out the crooks out of the temple of the Lord.
HA, and if a group “peacefully protests” christian practices, they get called disruptive and get kicked out.
He was a magician.
If it is on a voluntary basis - then it is not a law. It is a case by case basis.
Yup, it is as you say, just a thought. One that is not very well thought through.
Atheism just means no belief. End of. You yourself are an atheist in regards to Zeus I presume.
By your rational I have to beleive the Tooth Fairy really exist, as I simultaneously don’t beleive the Tooth Fairy exist. I am after all an a-Tooth-Fairyist. The “A” doesn’t mean “against”.
since some of the pharisees believed that Jesus could not do the works He did unless He was sent by God, they are more righteous even though they did not like him and sought to kill Him than you are with you blaspheming the Living God.
geez where do you get it that they are polite, they dont want the Lord’s prayer in the schools, which includes everyone, so what is there that is polite about them. If one is in error and someone tells them the truth what is wrong with that?
The students are free to pray all they want during their free time. They can also bring in their holy books and read them during their free time, and even proselytize to their fellow students (unless it becomes disruptive). What is not allowed is for teachers, principals, or other members of a public school’s administration to lead prayers, instruct children to pray, give them religious texts, proselytize to the students, or discriminate in any way against any students on religious grounds or create an environment that is not neutral to all religious positions.
Would you object to a Muslim or Satanist leading your child in Muslim or Satanic prayers? The state cannot endorse any religion over any other. It’s the first amendment. If you don’t want other religions being forced upon your child at a public school, you should respect everyone else’s desire to not have your religion forced upon their children. And, even if everyone is of the same faith, the school is still forbidden by law. So, if you have a problem with the constitution, that’s your problem. Don’t try to punish everyone else for your inability to understand how the law works. And, stop listening to Fox News. They knowingly lie to you.
but you see something else took its place not as wise as teaching the Lord’s prayer in the schools now you have the teaching of sexual orientation in the schools, really do children need to know this isnt that the job of the parents, so it is a kind of indoctrination which takes away our children;s innocence?
Why don’t schools teach that blacks are mentally inferior to whites and, thus, less human?
I believe some of your schools did that and would not let them recite the Lord’s prayer with the white children isnt that correct, and now you want to take it away from everyone, so who is at fault here. Certainly not the Lord, whom wishes everyone to come to know Him, so who is at fault here is it not the athiest whom do not even acknowledge the Lord existence?
that he almost became an athiest, HIs heart was not ready to receive the Word of God if he talked that way, as Christ made the blind see, the lame walk and raised people from the dead, only a fool would not believe that He was sent by the Lord God of Israel, as the people worshipped Him and gave praise and glory to the Lord God of Israel.
why not start another religion and call it a potpouri of all the religions which are in the U.S.A? as the Lord God weighs the hearts of mankind and doesnt ask which church you went to, that you believe on Christ and His resurrection as there is only one Lord and saviour, there is no other savior beside Him. your free choice.
from what I gather here most people already turn their backs on christianity, so that is nothing new is there, you dont want to Hear the Name of Christ, havent you changed it to happy holidays instead of having a blessed Xmas? or winter solstice a pagan practice, so why the big do when christians turn their back on you and other types of worship which our forefathers never knew?
How about Christianity stop co-opting practices and holidays which are pagan in origin?
you are full of hate arent you, and you have a foul mouth on top of that ask the Lord to cleanse your heart of that unclean spirit that dwells within you, since the Word of God is hidden to those who are to perish I suggest you come with an open mind a believing heart and ask the lord to reveal His Word to you. as It was written by men inspired by the Holy spirit which only through this same spirit the Holy Word can be understood.
Considering how you have been talking to others on this board, seems to me that you are full of hate as well.
maybe so but hatred for things which are not of God, as lying and bearing false witness and not honoring father and mother, are deceitfull things of the heart, and causes untold grief for some. and lets take greed, isnt that why we have wars among us because of the greed within mankind?
People fear what they do not understand. You need to actually EDUCATE yourself about other religions, not just spout hatred of something you know nothing about. Come back and talk when you have actually made an effort to understand another religion besides fundamentalist Christianity.
yes freedom to do and hurt others, right as long as it doesnt infringe on what you want for yourself, this isnt freedom but entanglement of your own lustfull self.
If you have freedom of religion then we also have freedom from the wiccan pagan religion, then no one should be able to teach anyone anything, no science which is a sort of religion, no history as each country I have found out has their own biasses concerning history. so what does one teach the children? to lie to cheat, and to follow those whom yell the loudest?
Science is a sort of religion? You obviously believe that dinosaurs existed at the time of the events in the Old Testament.
I guess if you figure dancing naked in the moonlight is beautiful, it is rather eerie dont you think unless you love to dance naked in the moonlight
You are really obsessed with “dancing naked in the moonlight” and homosexuality.
Islamic people will tell you what you want to believe, that their religion is a peacefull religion, just look at Isis the radical part of Islam and you believe christianity is bad for the people wait until the Lord sends evil angels among you, as you do not listen to His Word
They are not similar, as we follow the Lord God of abraham, Isaac and Jacob, Islam are the followers of Ishmael, and Esau, whom the Lord speaks of `Jacob I loved but Esau I hated` as Ishmael was the illegitimate child of the bond woman and the Lord also spoke these Words and “the child of the bond woman shall not in herit with the child of the promise`which is Isaac. come to know the lord God of Israel before you speak.
One definition. The word “run” has lots of definitions, and not all apply in all situations.
Just one more thing. The poor being oppressed has little or nothing to do with religion or God’s laws or Christianity. You are right that the rich are making laws; but that has little or nothing to do with following or not following God’s laws. It has nothing to do with repentance. It has nothing to do with homosexuals getting rights…. it all falls down to man’s inhumanity to man & GREED & Power - period. It has to do with a lack of character & morality & ethics - none of which have to do with a belief or non belief in GOD. Thanks for playing.