No, You Right-Wing Idiots, Carter’s Ban On Iranians Was NOT The Same As Trump’s Muslim Ban


When Donald Trump said that the U.S. needed to stop allowing Muslims into the country until we “can figure out what is going on,” he set off a firestorm. The backlash has been so bad that even most of the other Republican presidential candidates are running away from his comments. But Trump’s supporters are coming out of the woodwork with all sorts of justifications for why we should do exactly what he suggests. One right-wing site has even managed to defend Trump by claiming that President Carter did the same thing.

On November 4, 1979, the U.S. embassy in Teheran, Iran was taken over by a group of Iranian militant students. The group took over 60 Americans hostage. They would hold those hostages until January 1981, releasing them within moments of Ronald Reagan taking the oath of office.

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During the hostage crisis, a virtual state of war existed between Iran and the United States. President Carter responded to the situation with an escalating series of sanctions against the Islamic government of Iran, beginning with an embargo on importing Iranian oil. He also required the 50,000 Iranians who were in the U.S. on student visas to report to an immigration office. Those who were found to be here with expired visas were deported. This action was approved by an appeals court in December 1979.

On April 7, 1980, Carter announced a series of new sanctions, including the following:

Fourth, the Secretary of Treasury [State] and the Attorney General will invalidate all visas issued to Iranian citizens for future entry into the United States, effective today. We will not reissue visas, nor will we issue new visas, except for compelling and proven humanitarian reasons or where the national interest of our own country requires. This directive will be interpreted very strictly.

The unhinged right-wing site Frontpagemag is defending Trump by attacking Carter, saying that what Carter did is exactly the same thing that Trump is proposing. They even have a cute little picture of Carter’s head photoshopped onto Hitler’s body. And this comment:

Trump is a monster, a madman and a vile racist. He’s just like Hitler. Or Jimmy Carter.

The story goes on to claim that Carter’s ban on Iranian travel to the U.S. and his deporting of Iranians with invalid visas was actually worse than what Trump now wants to do with Muslims:

Now unlike Muslims, Iranians were not necessarily supportive of Islamic terrorism. Many were and are opponents of it. Khomeini didn’t represent Iran as a country, but his Islamist allies. So Trump’s proposal is far more legitimate than Carter’s action. Carter targeted people by nationality. Trump’s proposal does so by ideology.

Classifying Iranians as a group is closer to racism than classifying people by a racist supremacist ideology that calls for the mass murder and enslavement of non-Muslims, as ISIS is doing today.

“Khomeini didn’t represent Iran as a county?” Seriously? This writer is trying to suggest that because not all Iranians supported Khomeini or the revolution that he was not the leader of Iran. That’s the same as saying that Barack Obama isn’t the leader of the U.S. because he isn’t supported by all Americans. Speaking of support, where does the author come up with the idea that all Muslims support terrorism? Oh yeah, probably from the same place most right-wingers get ideas like that — his ass.

There is no legitimate comparison between Carter’s action and Trump’s proposal. Here’s why:

As observed above, during the hostage crisis the U.S. and Iran were in a state of something that amounted to a war, without the shooting. It is a common practice to expel citizens of a hostile country during wartime, but Carter’s actions didn’t do that. He merely ordered deported any Iranians whose visas were invalid, and refused to issue new visas to Iranian citizens. Carter’s actions were taken against anyone holding an Iranian passport, not against Iranians who were Muslim. In addition, those who were deported were not here because of refugee status, and they were not deported back to a war zone.

The charge of “racism” against Carter also doesn’t hold water. The author wants readers to believe that all Iranians are ethnically Persians. But like the United States, Iran is home to a number of different minority groups. Carter’s order didn’t block only ethnic Persians from entering the U.S. — it blocked anyone carrying an Iranian passport.

By contrast, Trump wants to keep all those who profess a certain religious belief out of the country. Muslims live in most of the world, including countries that are U.S. allies and those that are our adversaries. And, of course, there are Muslims who are American citizens. How exactly would this Muslim ban work? Muslims don’t carry passports that say, “I am a Muslim.”

President Carter took a reasonable, limited course of action during a time of tension between two sovereign nations. Trump is proposing actions that would bar all those who follow Islam from entering the U.S., no matter where they come from. If you wanted to send a message that America is at war with Islam, not just terrorists, there’s probably no better way to do it.


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  • stevecrowell says:

    A difference without a distinction.

    • Geoff Offermann says:

      Plenty of distinction was given.

    • Megg Lindeen says:

      Carter was enforcing existing laws. Trump wants to supplant the laws he doesn’t agree with. Is that distinction enough for you?

      • Randy Francis says:

        Except there’s that little Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 (that’s still in existence) that allows the President to restrict immigration by those deemed to be a threat. Except for that glaring fact your statement is true.

  • Geoff Offermann says:

    How about the implication that all Muslims support terrorism?

    • Jim Schwab says:

      Google “surveys on muslims attitudes toward the west or terrorism” in 10 minutes you’ll find tons of shocking numbers. Another fact…. in 47 muslim majority countries there are 1.2B muslims, In those countries of the 47 where stoning is legal live 850million muslims. Ppl…. this is a believe system that we as westerners do not understand, our normal everyday filters for how we assume other ppl will act and think do NOT work. Wake up!!!!!!

      • Mr T says:

        Just because one lives in a country where those things occur does not mean everyone agrees with the practices. And just to remind you, Saudi Arabia, where these things do occur, is an ally of the US and given a lot of support by the US government, Democrats and Republicans alike. They have nearly 30 million people, or about 2.5 % of the muslims of which you are most afraid.

        • Jim Schwab says:

          Read my words carefully, don’t copy what the newspapers do and condense into misleading headlines. I’m just afraid of the muslims that have already said they want to kill us. Why don’t you want to listen to them? and when someone repeats what they’ve said you want to call them racists or bigits or stupid? I’ve got nothing against the majority that choose to interpret Islam in a modern moderate manner and are therefore peaceful.

          • Jim Schwab says:

            The chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, Michael McCaul, said Monday that U.S. intelligence officers believe ISIS terrorists are attempting to use the Obama administration’s Syrian refugee program to enter the country themselves: “I believe 2015 will be seen as a watershed year in this long war—the year when our enemies gained an upper hand and when the spread of terror once again awoke the West.” The director of the FBI previously told Congress the U.S. cannot adequately vet the 10,000 Syrians the administration wants to accept.

        • Randy Francis says:

          Having lived in the Middle East, which I’m sure you haven’t, I can tell you that the Saudis are not our “ally” – they tolerate us…barely.

          • Mercy Sinclair says:

            9/11 was a direct result of US troops being allowed to have a base in Saudi Arabia. The hatred is far deeper than any of us can even imagine.

          • Greg says:

            Right on Randy, when will these foolish minds wake up? Sadly for about 55 years they have been brain washed by dept of education and do not have a clue on true American HISTORY!! The left has done a good job of rewriting history to fit there one and only GOAL!! Power, control, dependence, over the skulls full of mush!!

          • Grumpier says:

            Obviously you weren’t brainwashed by the DOE, it’s apparent you have basically no education.

          • Greg says:

            typical liberal, call names and bash ! Never can win any argument based on facts! Try articulating without knocking or calling names.

          • Grumpier says:

            So when you bash it’s OK but when I do it it’s different? Are you saying you are a liberal as you have put forth zero facts Bubba.

            Why don’t you try articulating something besides the fact that your head is up where the sun don’t shine?

          • Greg says:

            Grumpy you have proved my point. Can you have a a high school level discussion without screaming , calling names or putting whoever you attack down?? Doubt it

          • Justice4Ureserved© says:

            Greg, you have proved my point. Can you have a a high school level discussion without screaming, calling names or putting whoever you attack down? I doubt it.

            And with proper punctuation and grammar!

        • Mercy Sinclair says:

          Islam is a fascist ideology masking as a religion. The only people it serves are frustrated, uneducated, pathologically homophobic men. It may well be one of the greatest ironies of our time that the cult of Islam was so vociferously defended by liberals–the very people whose lifestyles have prompted the wrath of these deranged jihadists. It is an odder irony still that most cops (the majority identify as Republican) would take a bullet, or run into a burning tower to defend those same self-serving liberals who have done nothing but disparage them.
          Maybe it would be a good thing to bring in millions of unvetted Muslims (whose manifesto, i.e., the Koran, measures a good Muslim by the number of infidels he kills in the name of Allah). It might just do the country some good after all to have liberals get a taste of life under Sharia.

          • Karen says:

            THANK YOU! Islam is a CULT not a religion!!!! These moronic libtards actually think they can make friends with these pigs! They’ve already stated they want to come here and take over! ANYONE who doesn’t believe they truly want to do this, is delusional! WAKE UP SHEEPLE! They’re already here and they’re already killing us!!!!!!!

        • Mercy Sinclair says:

          9/11 hijackers were mostly Saudi. The only reason the US has not cut ties with the Saudis is pure greed by our “elected” leaders–especially Hillary Clinton who has received tens of millions of campaign funds from the Saudis via her sham of a charity, the Clinton Foundation.

          • Richard Engel says:

            and since she was not even in the government at all how she do this GW Bush’s family had direct ties to the Saudi Government you need to get your fact straight

          • Greg says:

            Richard come on just once do some research!! Forget about bush for a minute. Just do some research it’s really easy and the clintons do not hide it!! Forget about republicans , democrats, block your ideology out for a minute. It’s all there for you to see!! She is a pathological liar, thief, and it’s plain as day!

          • Richard Engel says:

            you really bought into to the right wing propaganda and forget about Clinton because anyone who believes what the right says is totally lost and as a vet I do not understand why people like you think the Republicans are for you unless you are in the 1% I am right in the middle and I do know my history and do not change it as you seem to do quite easily. so do not preach to me about your right wing ideology with no proff you see if what you say is true she would have been behind bars already and that is where most of the republicans should be right now

          • Greg says:

            Pretty funny rich, my ideology? 1% ? Look into the mirror sweetheart!! You are way over your head darling!! And Barry S is doing a great job? 1123 seats lost since he took office!! And the republicans suck too!!

          • Richard Engel says:

            and I am not your darling or sweetheart think twice before you use a pick up line

          • Greg says:

            Sorry rich, your a little testy over that Barry S thing! He is the best president the Middle East has ever had!! Great for the African Americans to!! And our healthcare is the best?? I kept my doctor and my premiums went down 25% just like he promised

          • scooter says:

            Actually, he tossed the blacks under the bus for the Mexicans, they’re more likely to go out and vote again.

          • Greg says:

            African American leaders have sold out there race !! It’s to easy to be a liberal

          • Greg says:

            Richard ? Your a vet?? That really scares me! A Rachel maddow fan and a vet!! Holy cow, there is know hope for you!! You buy all the lefty lies n prop?? Scary

          • Richard Engel says:

            do not watch Maddow sorry if you think you are right

          • scooter says:

            Has not is present tense, not past.

          • Greg says:

            Another very true comment!! All anyone has to do is a tiny bit of research and it’s all there!! She has committed treason several times!!

      • Brian D. Gray says:

        any speciifc surveys? reliable ones that is…

  • Marc Looney says:

    Iranians are a group of people from Iran. Muslims are the persons who practice Islam, their religion and are from all over the world! You CAN stop a group of indigenous people, like President Carter did keeping Iranians from entering but you cannot stop a religious group from entering. That’s like saying over 250 countries in the world can’t come to America! This guy doesn’t care about anyone, but Donny and his new hobby, the POTUS. What a Mo Ron!

    • eddie in okc says:

      We should CLOSE the border. Make it very hard to immigrate to the US. We should also deport every person who entered the US illegally in the past 15 years. If you don’t have a US birth certificate or a valid green card, you are GONE. We should quit giving money to other countries, especially the countries that hate us. It’s time to take care of ourselves.

      • disqus_Ub4fvwt0g2 says:

        and who will pay the trillions of dollars to accomplish this?

      • crookey says:

        Among other things, this course of action would have significant effects on our economy –
        Do you realize that the students who come here to study at our universities and colleges pay full tuition, unlike so many US citizens?
        Do you realize how many immigrants open businesses that import from their old countries and sell goods here?
        Do you know the dollar figure that tourism generates in this country, and how closing our borders would effect that?
        Do you think that other countries would keep their borders open to us in any form, be it tourism or exports, if we did this?

        I think the big question here is are you only going to listen to a demagogue like Trump and not think about the results of actions?

        • George Dimele says:

          You can wake up now….you have seen all the killings in our Country from muslims…right…this would be the results of our do nothing actions…idiot!
          #TRUMP2016

          • Lincoln F. Sternn says:

            Have you seen the far greater number of killings by demented home-grown white boys?
            Ah, #asshandedtoyouonaplatter…

          • Mercy Sinclair says:

            Muslims account for only about 1 percent of the U.S. population but account for about half of terrorist attacks since 9/11. That means Muslims in the United States are about 5,000 percent more likely to commit terrorist attacks than non-Muslims.

          • Lincoln F. Sternn says:

            Um , no, but if you need to tell yourself that, by all means…

    • skeptical spectical says:

      He was specific on shites

    • Dwayne says:

      Iranians are mostly muslims. Because if you practice Christianity in oublic they arrest you. Why? Because under Islam you cannot try to convert a muslim to any other religion. Muslims also cannot be a convert to another religion or they will kill them.

      • Rj Dieken says:

        Do they have Google under your rock? You should fact check your idiocy before you post it.

        • George Dimele says:

          Don’t have to google anything…9/11 nuf said!
          Shut the damn borders!
          #TRUMP2016

          • Rj Dieken says:

            No your ‘facts’ about Christianity In Iran, you retarded monkey.

            But please, give us another phrase about how proud you are to be ignorant.
            Mr. Praline: (yelling and hitting the cage repeatedly) ‘ELLO POLLY!!!!! Testing! Testing! Testing! Testing! This is your nine o’clock alarm call!
            (Takes parrot out of the cage and thumps its head on the counter. Throws it up in the air and watches it plummet to the floor.)

            Mr. Praline: Now that’s what I call a dead parrot.
            Owner: No, no…..No, ‘e’s stunned!
            Mr. Praline: STUNNED?!?
            Owner: Yeah! You stunned him, just as he was wakin’ up! Norwegian Blues stun easily, major.
            Mr. Praline: Um…now look…now look, mate, I’ve definitely ‘ad enough of this. That parrot is definitely deceased, and when I purchased it not ‘alf an hour ago, you assured me that its total lack of movement was due to it bein’ tired and shagged out following a prolonged squawk.
            Owner: Well, he’s…he’s, ah…probably pining for the fjords.
            Mr. Praline: PININ’ for the FJORDS?!?!?!? What kind of talk is that?, look, why did he fall flat on his back the moment I got ‘im home?

          • Greg says:

            Well RJ, gun control is the answer. Didn’t u listen to your president? Take all our guns and everything will be safe? That’s the problem take my guns and the criminals and terrorists will leave us alone? Also let’s let the Muslims practice shariah in our country too!! Woman will finally be where u want them? Also the GAY LOBBY WILL SUPPORT THAT ALSO?
            Let’s keep up the great work and take more of our rights away!! Your on to something RJ!! Keep spreading the word !! Thanks

          • Rj Dieken says:

            Some people *gasp* don’t actually get all their talking points from one set of twisted facts (that’s a ‘side’ for you idiots dumb enough to think one side is ‘your’ side).

            So my thinking that you and trump are both dangerous morons does not preclude (look that one up on google) me being pro gun.

            So you know though — you sound really really stupid talking about not wanting Gay rights, and not wanting religious law in the same breath.

          • Greg says:

            RJ MY DEAREST, it’s really interesting how the mind works? Little over your head I guess. Try reading some history instead of the mush your teachers have beat into that skull of yours! Little advice for you, if you want to be taken somewhat seriously stop the name calling!! That’s the first thing a liberal does when they can’t win on facts and the truth!!
            God bless

          • Rj Dieken says:

            You mean like the FACT there are over 600 christian church buildings in Iran, and over 300,00 openly practicing Christians who have a government gurantee of parliment seats, But in your biggotry and stupidity you think openly practicing Christianity in Iran is somehow a death sentence — because that fits in the naritive you believe about islam.?

    • Rob S says:

      There is no reason why our country has to admit Sunni Muslims, or any Muslims, without first being absolutely sure they are not radicalized and have no connections to any radical Islamic groups. Foreign aliens on foreign soil have no rights to enter or immigrate to our country, period. The safety of American citizens should be the government’s primary interest in this time of war.

      • George Dimele says:

        THANK YOU…and after California you know our government has NO CLUE!
        #TRUMP2016!
        #MakeAmericaGreatAgain!

      • Mr T says:

        I assume that will be done with a question on the application form: “Are you now, or have you ever been, a radical?”

        • Rob S says:

          lol – trusting someone to truthfully answer an application question is not a great way to protect American citizens. I would suggest searching the applicants’ travel records, school records, all traceable financial expenditures, social media postings, etc., maybe even a test/interview with a lie detector running (one, called “truster” reads changes in voice inflections and very accurately detects stress/lies – the applicant does not even need to know its running). Each applicant would be required to identify, under oath, all financial and social media names/accounts, etc. they have ever used. Any false answer on the application, whenever found, results in denial or retroactive denial of entry/residence/citizenship and maybe even a prison sentence for perjury. I also strongly suggest we bar or restrict weapons purchases by any new arrivals. We have the technology to accomplish more thorough background checks, we apparently just don’t use any of it.

    • George Dimele says:

      No your the Mo Ron…it doesn’t matter what country they come from …until we have a handle on our own problems with islam/muslims on our soil we Should Not Add To It! It only takes ONE to take out MANY and I am not willing to Invite that kind if evil here. …after 9/11 the Borders should have been shut….let the middle east rise up and fight for their countries just like we do….those people have veen fighting for a 1000 years … keep it over there!
      #TRUMP2016
      #MakeAmericaGreatAgain

      • Mr T says:

        You already have that “kind of evil” in the US. They are radical “Christians” who are willing to kill abortion providers, who go into Afro-American churches and kill people at worship, they are nut-job end-of-timers hoarding enough weapons to take out a small country just in case “they” come to get them. But we don’t start chucking people out of a country for those offences, do we, so why are you so afraid. Most Americans are hard-working, humble and friendly people. So are most Muslims. You already have one of the most rigorous screening processes in place for immigration, so stop being so fearful or you play right into the hand of all the crazies, both foreign and domestic.

        • Greg says:

          Another skull full of mush!! Let me guess you watch MSLSD, And you have a safe space at work. So nobody hurts your feelings!! Poor thing

    • UberboreanFaustoAryanSupaPowa says:

      “That’s like saying over 250 countries in the world can’t come to
      America! This guy doesn’t care about anyone, but Donny and his new
      hobby, the POTUS. What a Mo Ron!”

      So? Does America have an obligation to admit ANYONE? American citizenship or entry to our country is not some inalienable right. I don’t see any benefits to allowing more people in let alone more Muslims.

    • Karen says:

      ISLAM IS A CULT NOT A RELIGION!!!!!!!

      • Marc Looney says:

        Islam is one of the oldest religions on the planet! What is the definition of a cult? Educate youself on these issues! Islam ranks up there with Buddism and the other religions before the great reformation. Don’t offend people because of ignorance.

  • Christopher Merry says:

    I agree he used to broad a brush on the subject when he said Muslims, he should have stated it in a clearer way as to say, Pakistan, Iraq, Syria and so on. But, only the left doesn’t want to figure that out as they’re too busy being apologists and so PC that it makes the nation weak. It’s no lie that the immigration and visa program need to be overhauled. That’s what Trump was saying. Which isn’t unlike any acting President to do in the past or the future.

    • Ron Beyer says:

      He’s subsequently basically doubled down on the Muslim part. And the American left is not the only group to interpret his remarks as meaning all Muslims.

      • Christopher Merry says:

        Well it’s hard to argue they are attacking us and we’ve been at war with them for 15 years. People who argue it have two reasons, unseat him as the GOP front runner or protect the brand. When what he is suggesting is not that far off from what had happened to us with Iran in 1979. The only reason someone would argue this is because they don’t want too see it. They want to frame him as Hitler and that’s all they want to see. Just as the right and Obama and the Muslim Brotherhood. Instead of Americans doing what is right they go to great lengths to stay separated when in actuality they are not that far apart… so today the new blood is look at Trump the Bigot for the left and yesterday’s blood was “Obama’s a Muslim Traitor”, both are not true. The problem with this country is a lack of centrists. Everyone goes far left… or far right. They are both equally dangerous in the end.

        • Will_Brodhead says:

          We’ve been at war with Indonesia for 15 years? Funny, I thought that they were our ally. You know, the most populous Muslim nation on Earth?

          • Jim Schwab says:

            there are terrorits attacks there too! stoning is legal, 5-20% of muslims globally are ok with violence against non-believers to further their cause. That’s global muslims, so yes that includes those in asia region where many many terrorists activities happen.

    • Lincoln F. Sternn says:

      So, what would you suggest we do with the 1.3 million Muslims who are U.S. citizens, many serving in our military or police forces?
      Internment camps, maybe?
      This ignorant rhetoric plays right into the hands of the terrorists who are trying to divide us.

      • Denise Larson says:

        And constantly talking about and showing the murderers in San Bernandino in our media everyday, who just by chance happen to be Muslims practicing Islam .One of them Was Vetted and entered this country on a Fiance Visa. Does this not play into the hands of ISIS/Daesh also by making them Martyr’s of Radical Islam That Religion/Cult is nothing but hate ridden. This is what you want in our country.Maybe we should Daily show the Jordanian that they burned alive in a cage or the many beheadings Over and Over so all these Sweet Loving Peaceful Muslims can see for themselves how we see it

        • Lincoln F. Sternn says:

          I’m sorry, but if you have a point would you mind clarifying it? I honestly can’t tell if you are agreeing with me or arguing with me.

      • CLT Engineer says:

        Oh you mean what FDR did to American Citizens? You know FDR the lefts hero? That action violated the citizens rights under the 1st, 4th, 5th, 8th and 14th amendments and some other parts of the Constitution. Where as Trump wants to stop, temporarily non citizens from entering the country, which does not violate their rights at all.

        • Lincoln F. Sternn says:

          Well, one, FDR admitted it was a grievous mistake, and illegal, and was sorry until the day he died.
          Two, your snarky, infantile comment about him being the “left’s hero” holds no merit because that one action was widely criticized by the left and the right and is not the reason the left admires him.
          And three, besides Trump not having a clue about anything, trying to weed people out by their religious affiliation+country of origin+immigration status would be a nightmare for Immigration officials.
          Not to mention the moral cesspool it puts the U.S. in, a place Trump and his supporters seem quite comfortable in, of denying refugees fleeing people who are our “enemies.” Anyone remember what happened to the Jews the U.S. turned away in ’39? How did that work out, and how did we look because of it?

  • Will_Brodhead says:

    You should type in English when responding to posts in that language.

  • LJ says:

    did you steal that speech from a terrorist? it sounded word for word…..

  • Don Huber says:

    Just look at how well the vetting process worked for the 2 in San Bernardino, CA, and YOU TELL it to the families of those that were killed by them!!!

    • Lincoln F. Sternn says:

      Well, since Farook was born in the U.S., there was no vetting to be done.
      Your fear is a big win for the terrorists. Congratulations.

  • Randy Francis says:

    Sorry Bubba but Persians nor Muslims are a race. Persians are a sub group of Caucasians and Muslims are followers of a religion (a cult actually). So none of your little diatribe has to do with racism. And what Trump is proposing is exactly what Carter did. In fact, in Carter’s case no one had been killed in the taking of the embassy whereas in Trump’s case we have some evidence to work with i.e. 9/11, Fort Hood, Times Square, Chattanooga, San Bernadino, etc. I think that delusional liberals love to read their own narrative into the things that he says but I think you’ll find that what he is actually saying is to temporarily halt the immigration of Syrian refugees until we can better vet them. Of course we could do what your Dear Leader wants and confiscate all of law abiding Americans’ firearms because we all know that terrorists are unable to smuggle in weapons from other countries due to our absolutely sealed borders. I just thank God (sorry for mentioning a deity other than Allah liberals) that we’ve been able to prevent illegal immigrants from entering this country…well, and marijuana…and cocaine…and meth…and designer drugs…

    • StephenFrostrider says:

      Don’t forget how apparently its more racist to discriminate someone based on their religion than it is to discriminate based on their ethnicity.

    • crookey says:

      I am confused . . . do you have a direct link to Trump’s interpreter, to know “that what he is actually saying is to temporarily halt the immigration of Syrian refugees until we can better vet them.” So, the vetting progress for refugees isn’t enough right now? I am sure that everything can be improved upon, and since that process was put into place long before these issues arose, not a bad idea to review it, just like reviewing the student visa processes, or the “fiancee visa” process. That would be applied to EVERYONE TRYING TO OBTAIN THESE VISAS, not simply singling out one group of people as the issue.

      • Rob S says:

        The Tsarnaev family (Boston bombers) were Muslim refugees granted asylum here (even though they were in no danger at all in the country they emigrated from. Tashfeen Malik (San Bernadino) entered with a K-1 fiancee visa and was allegedly “fully screened”. There are many more, many who have been arrested for plotting attacks before they could be launched and many arrests that never even make the news. The vetting process, if there ever was a meaningful one, has clearly failed, with deadly and disastrous results. All of these killers were/are radicalized Muslims – it is hardly surprising or unfair that we examine the vetting process before admitting any more Muslims to the US. Foreigners on foreign soil have no rights to enter or immigrate to the US. The protection of American citizens should be the primary concern.

      • Jim Schwab says:

        “not singling out a group” bet that makes you feel good about yourself, and saying that and other liberal bumper sticker ideals makes you look like a good person. Keep living in the theoretical world. in theory Communism is the perfect model, but in reality it’s the worst because humans being are imperfect, some are bad, some good, some take advantage of others some don’t. Sometimes u have to make tough choices (kinda like raising good kids) it’s called tough love.

        Singling out a group for more intense scrutiny will save the life of your fellow american citizens. and that should be the first priority, sorry but it’s our country and we should be able to choose to we want to enter. Would you want to be able to choose who sleeps in your guest bedroom in your house? Or are you ok with just any random person?

      • Randy Francis says:

        No, I just don’t go off on some hysterical emotional tirade like liberals (oops sorry I guess I should have provided a trigger warning). When Trump says the ban would be temporary I have no reason to believe otherwise and right now the only mass immigration of Muslims are the Syrian refugees so I think it’s safe to assume that those are the people of whom he is speaking. “So, the vetting progress for refugees isn’t enough right now?” Seriously? Even the Director of the FBI says they can’t be vetted satisfactorily. As for applying it to everyone – we haven’t been attacked by French Huguenots or Scottish Presbyterians or German Lutherans.

    • PeterH says:

      typical…. twist the right-wing simpleton statements to look more reasonable, and twist the left’s words to look worse. Moron

    • Mr T says:

      Read more, bubba. The Carter policies are nowhere near the hatred and idiocy being spouted by Captain Hair-Piece; if you had read the article before spouting off, you would have had that point made to you.

      • Randy Francis says:

        Here are Carter’s actual words: Fourth, the Secretary of Treasury [State] and the Attorney
        General will invalidate all visas issued to Iranian citizens for future
        entry into the United States, effective today. We will not
        reissue visas, nor will we issue new visas, except for compelling and
        proven humanitarian reasons or where the national interest of our own
        country requires. This directive will be interpreted very strictly.

        Now putting your hysterical emotional narrative aside (need a safe space there Snowflake?), how is this different from Trump wanting to temporarily suspend the immigration of Middle Eastern refugees to this country until vetting can be improved? As for the point being made in the article – the guy lives with his three cats in Delaware (according to his bio) – not sure he’s attending an Algonquin Roundtable anytime soon.

      • scooter says:

        This article? This article is a piece of trash. You should have listened, or at least looked up what was said, maybe researched the laws concerning what he said, then you could have remained silent and possibly walked away without people that took the time to know the issue thinking your a walking turnip. Not only is stopping entry legal, it’s a good idea until the vetting system can be figured out, our FBI director says it’s so broken we can’t vet ‘refugees’.

  • JD says:

    I agree with Trump and the quoted statements you mock in this article. Thanks for making the best part of your article bold, big and in quotations!

  • Lincoln F. Sternn says:

    That anyone thinks Trump is a viable candidate both frightens and amuses me.

    • Rob S says:

      lots of people do – why else would he be leading the GOP polls? I’m a Bernie Sanders supporter and I dislike Hillary Clinton. If its a choice between Hillary and Trump, I’m voting for Trump, for two reasons: 1) the entertainment value would clearly be astounding, and 2) he, like Bernie, is not beholden to special, big money interests and dislikes the fact that most of our politicians are purchased (even if his objection is likely because it has cost him a lot of money in the past).

      • kevinwires says:

        Yeah really you are for Bernie. How in God’s name would you be able to take the policies pushed by Bernie and drop those to support Trump. Either you are a bagger Troll pushing Bernie only because it hurts Hillary or you have no real beliefs and like the persona of both men. This is not buying cereal where you pick based upon the advertising campaign.

      • Jim Schwab says:

        well said, a non typical politician is the way to go. Any possible downside of Trump in my view is outweighed by benefit of his fresh non-politician approach. I could see it now, Trump walking out of a meeting with John Beohner, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid…..into the cameras he says “OMG are you kidding me these guys were weirdos, we need term limits asap!!!” plain straight talk about a broken system.

        • Rob S says:

          yup, that’s what I’m looking for Jim. Plain straight talk (even if it is offensive at times) and no more cover for our broken, establishment political system that may, in time, motivate other, more honest politicians and wake up the voters to support them.

        • Scott says:

          Will you feel the same way if Trump walked out of a meeting with a foreign leader and made some moronic comment? He WOULD do it….because he’s a simpleton. He likes to say that he doesn’t “have time” for political correctness, but that’s not the case. He doesn’t “have time” to think before he blurts. There hasn’t been as big an idiot on the national political stage since Palin.

    • Joe Smith says:

      I hope you are still “amused” a year from now when he will be YOUR president !!!

    • George Dimele says:

      Really … what scares me is idiots like you that have NO Common Sense….and you can’t teach that!
      #TRUMP2016
      #MakeAmericaGreatAgain

      • Lincoln F. Sternn says:

        “what scares me is idiots like you”

        First, it is “what scares me ARE idiots like you.”
        Second, you actually can teach common sense.
        Third, congratulations on being the typical, uneducated Trump supporter.

    • bobbybilly says:

      It amuses me that Trump is proven right when people attack him for things he says.

    • Karen says:

      It amuses me that ANYONE would vote for a PROVEN liar and murderess OR a socialist who wants to give everyone everything but NO WAY to PAY FOR IT! We already have an almost TWENTY TRILLION DOLLAR DEFICIT!!! HOW could we possibly give everyone more???? TRUMP may not have the ‘finesse’ that CARRER politicians have, but guess what??? THE TRUTH HURTS!!!!! THIS is a man who wants this country to be GREAT! All otraitor has done for the past seven years is to DIVIDE this country! He’s segregating blacks from whites by inciting RACE BAITING with the help of his cronies who are SO racist against whites, they shouldn’t be allowed out in public!!!! The MASTER BAITERS need to STOP dividing us. Martin Luther King must be rolling in his grave with all the race baiting going on! Come on, even Mooch has said she doesn’t like white people because we’ve done nothing but hold that blacks back! IF that were true, WHY are there so many black men and women who have pulled themselves out of the projects and made something of their lives? Mooch and Otraitor did NOT come from the lower class, they were NOT haled back from ANYTHING because of their color. They were given MANY opportunities to better themselves and give the ability to go to college BECAUSE of their skin color! Enough of this BLACK LIVES MATTER bullshit too! ALL LIVES MATTER! TRUMP will work TOGETHER with Americans to make this country great again. He’s a GREAT businessman who will be able to get this country OUR of the mountains of debt! He will build borders to keep AMERICANS SAFE! God help us if you libtards get your way AGAIN and have someone like KILLERY in the white house! This country WILL be another germany and we ALL will be told what to do and when to do it! TRUMP2016

      • Lincoln F. Sternn says:

        Wow, sweetheart, you drank the Kool-Aid right out of the pitcher, didn’t you?
        You really should see a professional for your delusions.

  • StephenFrostrider says:

    Oh….so its ok to discriminate against a person based on their race, not their religion? And somehow, discriminating against a person based on their race is not as racist as discriminating based on their religion? Ok, thanks for the tip.

  • skeptical spectical says:

    In fairness, his idea wasn’t defined, it was merely a idea thrown into chaos.

    • Rick Braunshausen says:

      It was Trump shooting his mouth off to inject a little life into his camoaing. If it wa just brainstorming, ha has had ample time to refine it. But he’s doubling down and defending it as is.

  • Marc Herlands says:

    Trump’s proposal to ban Muslims would include Canadians and Australians and Brazilians and Icelanders. It’s such a wide-ranging suggestion that it’s implications are ridiculous. There are 1.6 billion Muslims. Silly in concept and not feasible in practice. But, it brings out xenophobes.

    • Jim Schwab says:

      It brings out people who do not want to allow freaks to enter this country who want to kill us. Here’s some facts: Anywhere from 5-20% of Muslims are ok with use of violence to further the cause of spreading Islam. So that’s 80M to 320M ppl who want us to convert or die. Why not take extra care in protecting us. Do some research beyond the headlines. 10 minutes w Google and you’ll find some shocking information.

      One recent study in UK found that 52% of UK Muslims are ok with radical imams messaging (nice immigration policies there huh?).

      • Lincoln F. Sternn says:

        You guys really have no idea how any of this works, do you?
        In case you missed it, not one mass shooter has entered this country illegally. The few who weren’t born here, were vetted by the process.
        Most of those shooters have been white males.
        You want to throw around scary statistics? Eighty percent of Americans believe in angels. Twenty-four percent of registered Republicans think Trump would actually make a good president. How friggin’ scary is that statistic?
        If so many Muslims favored jihadi, the streets would be running with blood everywhere.
        And for all of those people who whine that Muslims don’t condemn terrorism to their satisfaction, I say, “When you are shouting down Westboro Baptist Church and their ilk, you can have an opinion.”

        • Jim Schwab says:

          We are talking about terrorists Lincoln, don’t confuse your politics with real life facts…… and btw, the streets ARE running with blood.

          The chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, Michael McCaul, said Monday that U.S. intelligence officers believe ISIS terrorists are attempting to use the Obama administration’s Syrian refugee program to enter the country themselves: “I believe 2015 will be seen as a watershed year in this long war—the year when our enemies gained an upper hand and when the spread of terror once again awoke the West.” The director of the FBI previously told Congress the U.S. cannot adequately vet the 10,000 Syrians the administration wants to accept.

          • Lincoln F. Sternn says:

            Kid, you have never seen streets running with blood, so why don’t you put on some big girl panties and calm down?
            Not to sound insensitive, but America has had it pretty easy, violence-wise.
            Terrorism is less of a threat to most Americans than a teenager texting while driving, so you will excuse me if I don’t get all panicked about this.
            Sure, sneaking ISIS sympathizers into southern Europe among the refugees is attractive. Hundreds of thousands of refugees are showing up out of nowhere. In case no one has noticed, there is an ocean between us and them. The vetting process to get here will be a tad more controlled.

            Relax, Jim, the sky is, in fact, not falling.

          • NymRod says:

            “you have never seen streets running with blood”

            That may soon be happening here as well.

            “Terrorism is less of a threat to most Americans than a teenager texting while driving”
            Tell that to the people in San Bernardino who were killed or wounded by islamic terrorist.

            What about those 1,000s of cheap disposable cells phones being purchased at Walmart stores and the many propane tanks being bought in high volumes or stolen in large quantities around the nation?

            Made the connection yet? It’s not because they want to be able to call all their friends to a pig cook out.

          • Lincoln F. Sternn says:

            Then you should really go hide somewhere safe so you won’t get hurt.

        • Mercy Sinclair says:

          No other “religion” in the world holds the record for killings by terrorism than the nation of Islam. Just because Islamists only killed 3,000 US citizens (a small percentage relative to the entire US population) doesn’t mean we should accept Muslim immigrants. If someone hands me a bowl of M&Ms and says, only one is poisoned, I’m still not going to eat them.

      • truthynesslover says:

        So lets do away with the CONSTITUTION …And while we are at it let go after the US christian preachers who push for violence and christian who spout anti-government rhetoric…that would include MOST republicans….

        • UberboreanFaustoAryanSupaPowa says:

          The bill of rights doesn’t apply to foreigners.

          • truthynesslover says:

            The constitution doesnt allow a for a religious test to enter the country. ….

            “Trump’s unprecedented proposal would violate our Constitution
            Both the First Amendment’s Religion Clauses and the equality dimension of the Due Process Clause of the Fifth Amendment.”

            Harvard Law Professor Laurence Tribe

            The Bill of Rights applies to everyone, even illegal immigrants. …

            FYI…What bill of rights?the one Republicans abolished with the anti -constitutional hilariously named “Patriot ACT”?

          • Tpatriot says:

            Are you as stupid as your post?

          • Brian D. Gray says:

            No he’s right the Constitution does apply to immigrants…and foreigners..

          • NymRod says:

            So you’re saying the Constitution of The United States of America applies to every person in every country on this planet?

            Anyone who would think such is well beyond stupid.

          • scooter says:

            Not if they aren’t on American soil.

          • Brian D. Gray says:

            where did I say about their not being on US soil?

          • Mercy Sinclair says:

            Islam is not a religion. It’s an ideology masking as one. And persons *can* be denied entrance into this country, regardless of their religion, if they subscribe to any organization that promotes overthrowing the US government.

          • scooter says:

            There’s a law on the books that forbids anyone that follows an ideology of harming the United States from being allowed entrance, if that wasn’t an actual law already, forbidding someone entrance based on their religion wouldn’t violate anything if they were barred before setting foot on American soil. If they aren’t on American soil, they have no protections from our constitution.

          • truthynesslover says:

            Are you really that stupid or are you here to make republicans look stupid?…….I always wonder about that and think ….they really didnt just post that did they?

        • Jim Schwab says:

          ummmm the constitution only applies to those who are citizens and earned the right to be citizens, born here, parents born here pay taes here work here, help make this country what it is and therefore benefit from same country

          • truthynesslover says:

            The Bill of Rights and Constitution applies to everyone, even illegal immigrants. …

            Your a dangerous maroon.

          • Tpatriot says:

            Illegal is illegal, deport any illegal immigrants NOW!

          • NymRod says:

            “The Bill of Rights and Constitution applies to everyone”

            It does NOT apply to non-citizens of this nation that do not reside here.

          • Mercy Sinclair says:

            No it doesn’t, idiot. Only applies to US citizens. Go back to 8th grade and take a Civics class.

        • Jim Schwab says:

          The chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, Michael McCaul, said Monday that U.S. intelligence officers believe ISIS terrorists are attempting to use the Obama administration’s Syrian refugee program to enter the country themselves: “I believe 2015 will be seen as a watershed year in this long war—the year when our enemies gained an upper hand and when the spread of terror once again awoke the West.” The director of the FBI previously told Congress the U.S. cannot adequately vet the 10,000 Syrians the administration wants to accept.

        • Tpatriot says:

          Obama had pretty much destroyed the constitution. How many Christian preachers are shouting ‘kill anyone that doesn’t believe in the Koran’? The mussie’s are a cult not a religion.

          • Lincoln F. Sternn says:

            “Obama has pretty much destroyed the constitution.”
            People as stupid as you should be taken somewhere quiet, shot, and your bodies burned. All record of you should be cleansed from the face of the Earth.

          • Tpatriot says:

            You are just another free thinking liberal that wants to control everything due to you insecure stupidity.

          • Lincoln F. Sternn says:

            Cry me a river, you ignorant worm.
            You were right about one thing, I am “free thinking,” unlike people like you who just slurps up whatever pus drains out of Trump’s A-hole.
            If you disagree with Obama’s politics for whatever reason, that’s fine. But making statements such as yours is so unforgivably ignorant that you deserve neither respect nor mercy.

      • truthynesslover says:

        Are you really that stupid or are you here to make republicans look stupid?…….I always wonder about that and think ….they really didnt just post that did they?

    • UberboreanFaustoAryanSupaPowa says:

      16% of “Frenchmen” support ISIS. Guess what the Muslim demographic in France is.

    • Randy Francis says:

      And Britians…like Richard Reid…and people coming over from Canada…like Ahmed Rassam.

  • BuDdY says:

    I think all religions are ridiculous and a cancer on this planet! By far the dumbest one I have seen is Islam! At least the Christians are not throwing gays off of roof tops! Christians are not beheading people because they do not believe! I hate religion and I cannot believe we have to be tolerant of religion period! Keep your religious garbage to yourself! I do not care what you believe! Its 2015 and we keep going backwards day by day!

    • truthynesslover says:

      Mormons and Scientology are Dumber and literal GRIFTS…Give the KKKristain reich wing a chance and they too will throw Gays off roof if they could get away with it .dont kid yourself.

      • BuDdY says:

        I am not denying that there are radical sects in all religions.. But for now the chances being taken by the open borders policy and refugee intake is more than I want to deal with.. Right now the Muslim radicals are at war with the west period.. These people have said it themselves.

    • Mr T says:

      Christians are blowing up abortion clinics and killing Afro-Americans in their place of worship. Christians are turning their backs on the homeless and disadvantaged in their own communities, while beating the crap out of each other to get a good deal at Black Friday sales.
      Wait, that sounds too much like persecution of an entire religion based on the actions of a few. Perhaps, in the interest of fairness, we should identify and card everyone of every religion, and every atheist, agnostic, and pantheist, and send them ALL back to their country of origin. Now, how many generation back do we go to determine that? Or perhaps we should just not let people who identify as Christian into the country, because, you know, that Old Testament certainly advocates for the stoning and persecution of non-believers and idol worshippers.

      • BuDdY says:

        The most radicalized religion on the planet at this point in time is Islam. Period… The Christians have advanced a long ways towards treating others with respect. Islam not so much.. The Black Friday comment was somewhat irrelevant because all races and religions are looking for handouts or deals … You would not catch me in the middle of that stupidity! The homeless comment I also disagree with because the homeless issue effects us all not just the Christians… Look at Saudi Arabia for example, they are wealthy and are doing nothing for the Syrian refugee population..

  • Cicero Viscious says:

    Seriously – this article rocks because it does nearly a better job than anybody of illustrating the hypocrisy both of the media and of the liberal mindset…the attempt at arguments here is frankly, laughable…

  • Amscot says:

    I always find it funny how things are okay for Democrats but never okay for a Republican people are screaming that it is unconstitutional for us the band Muslims in the United States yet when Jimmy Carter band Iranians .its not the same thing if it’s unconstitutional now that it should be unconstitutional then .however let’s stay in the present day it is written that any immigrants coming into the United States must and the key word here is must abide by our laws and should not be a threat to our country .we don’t have to change a damn thing to make anyone other than American happy .any of you who think that bringing these refugees in is not a danger to us you just have no common sense and you shouldn’t even have a driver’s license .its like looking at a big barrel of snakes .say a thousand of them and you gotta stick your hand in because you know one two maybe three of them won’t bite you but the rest of them you’re really not too sure about .did you people forget what happened on 9/11 have you ever taken the time to even glance at the Quran the same people that want to allow these refugees in and want to give them liberation are the same damn people who support abortion and anything else that’s an abomination to life. get over yourselves because these refugees will kill you without even thinking twice

    • alikhat says:

      I’m guessing a lot of very simple things confuse you. Like the article above for instance, which explains in detail what the difference is and which is clearly written at too high an education level for you to comprehend – or maybe even read.

      Few things more entertaining than watching a wingnut try to think. It’s like watching a cat chase a laser light; lots of jumping, twisting and turning around in frustration to grab something that isn’t actually there.

      • Cicero Viscious says:

        This artice actually explains nothing – the argument presented by the author is his opinion and nothing more – cae in point – a de facto state of war existed when the students seized the embassy – really??? FACT CHECK: That’s not true…since when do sanctions constitute a de facto sate of war??? This is the same BS argument in reverse that you lefties tried to make about Iraq 2 except that with Iraq 2, there actually was actually a de facto state of war due to the AUMF issued by Congress in 2002-03.

        • alikhat says:

          See? You prove my point. A perfect example of the typical wingnut who thinks that a fact is merely an idea he agrees with and an opinion is an unfortunate detail he doesn’t. You lot do have the damnedest time with that whole Reality thang, don’cha? Tsk, tsk, tsk…

  • Cicero Viscious says:

    Curious – what is different between saying some Muslims hate the US and because we’re not sure which, we need to keep all out vs. saying that some Iranians hate the US and because we don’t know which, we need to kick them out? Seems to me that the only difference is segregating based on country of origin vs. religious practice. If so, how is one more valid than the other.

    Then, following the Carter logic so many defend here, because we were “…at a state of war…” with not Iran but with just some Iranian students, Carter targeted essentially the same group in the US as was the hostile aggressor. Is that what you lefties are trying to say??? In essence, what Carter did was to target the macro group (i.e. ALL Iranian students in the US) as a means by which to combat the acts of a minority with that same group (i.e. the actual Iranian students in Iran who took the embassy).

    OK – presuming I’ve deconstructed your mindset here, are you saying you would agree with deporting the Japanese during WW2 because they were a part of the same group as the aggressor? How about all Iraqis during Gulf Wars 1 andor 2 – again, part of the same group as the aggressor? Or is it maybe that you just being this out when it serves to not discover the truth but only to somehow bolster your ideology???

    Yeah, pretty sure I’m going with the latter…

    • CLT Engineer says:

      Uh read your history, FDR but Japanese into internment camps. American Citizens made up 60% of those… What president did that? Your left socialist hero FDR.

      • Eli Bowen says:

        Pretty much everyone (especially leftists) agrees that what FDR did was wrong. The U.S. government officially apologized for it.

  • Dwayne says:

    Carter specifically mentioned Iran because they were the country we were having huge problems with. What with them attack our embassy and taking our citizens hostage. We have done the same with Germany, Great Britain, Japan, Syria, Cuba, North Korea, the old Soviet Union, Libya and other countries. It is because those countries were hostile to us and many of those still are. No sense in letting the enemy in your front door.

    Now with Islam, which country is at war with the US? ISIS is at war with us. Al -Qaeda is at war with us too. They both proclaimed it. They both also proclaimed that Islam is at war with us. And thete are a myriad of muslim terrorist groups that have pledged their loyalty to these 2 muslim groups, from Nigeria to Somalia to Libya to Indonesua, to Thailand to the Philippines. And the members of these 2 muslim groups come from every country that has a muslim population. So, we can do what we have done since we started this country. We do not allow people who are at war with us to enter the US. And at this time that is the muslims. Or is it the atheists or the Buddhists who have declared war on the US?

  • truthynesslover says:

    Know who else hated Liberals?…..Hitler,Mao and Stain….

  • The_Random_Sample says:

    So they can’t tell the difference between a ban based on nationality and a ban based on religion. Incredible.

  • Katzenjammer says:

    Not as totally dissimilar as you think Mr. Williams. Yes, in 1979 we were ‘virtually at war’ with Iran. But we were not at WAR. We – USA – haven’t been at war since September 2, 1945. We declared ‘war’ on Al Qaeda, not a recognized nation-state, in the Fall of 2001. In 2015 many Americans cry that we are at ‘war’, perhaps meaning that we are ‘virtually at war’ with ISIS. Then perhaps We should consider placing restrictions on entry to the USA on members of ISIS and their supporters. ISIS does make the claim that many Muslims – among Sunnis – embrace their Salafist view of the world and there are good grounds to suspect America and Americans are seen with distaste in the Islamic ME thus it may be prudent to extend any contemplated US entry restrictions upon the greater part of Muslims. I personally do not accept that position as it is contrary to the principle that it is best to look upon the works of a man if you are to know a man. However the argument for restricting entry of Muslims into the USA seems sustainable. Is it not?

  • Brian Smith says:

    Say hello to your new POTUS. Trump 2016!

  • Marc Looney says:

    Dwayne. No matter, you cannot legally stop a whole religious group at the gates and turn them around. Even under this called 60 year old law. Islam does NOT teach hate, or jow to be a radical jihadist. You can hold back Iranians, Iraquiis, Syrians, or Africans!
    The whole constitution would have be changed dude. Not happnin.

    • Jim Schwab says:

      read the Qoran “dude”, or at least do some reading of others people
      s research on what it says in the book. Mohammed was a freakin war lord, he used force to try and unite the tribes of the middle east “dude”, the “sword” he personally be-headed 100s of ppl “dude”, pls research beyond headlines!!!! argggggggg

      • Mr T says:

        Read the Old Testament, dude, that God guy was a freakin hard-ass on unbelievers and sinners, what with all the stoning, casting out, turning into pillars of salt, drowning in the Red Sea, and all that.
        The formation of all three of the monotheistic religions has been violent and revolutionary. Each religion has undertaken some pretty extreme actions in the name of their religion (the Christian Crusades come to mind); however, most practitioners of Christianity, Judaism, and Islam, seek peaceful spiritual enlightenment and all engage in a personal jihad, or struggle, to reconcile the practice of their faith with the realities of our corrupt, greedy, modern world. Only a few of EACH of these religions hides behind a perversion of their faith to wage war on other people.
        Donald Trump advocates a universal, knee-jerk response. He is not sophisticated enough to be an effective leader of a political party or a nation, and he should be booed or laughed out of every hall in which he speaks. The people should, long before the actual Presidential Race, tell him to shut up and to go away. He is an embarrassment to all that is good in America.

        • Jim Schwab says:

          read the new testament too! Whats a matter that doesn’t fit your point so u exclude it. Facts are meaningless to you type its all emotion,. Why do we care about what happened in the past, the only religion that has large numbers of crazy ppl is Islam. Yeah the crusades were terrible but we have evolved and become civilized. Time to call a spade a spade and cut out the PC crap.

  • Jamie Acevedo says:

    I disagree. Sounds similar to me. But Trump is definitely a jackass.

  • Rob S says:

    If the author hasn’t noticed, we’ve been in a shooting war with radical Islam since 2001, so there is little, if any, distinction between the status between the US and Iran (a “state of something that amounted to a war, without the shooting”) and the status between US and radical Islam (a full blown shooting war in places all over the planet). Here’s yet another distinction without a difference – Carter deported some 15,000 Iranians, but gave asylum to non-Muslims for ‘humanitarian reasons’ (i.e. fear of attack/oppression by Shiite Muslims in Iran). Thus, he deported 15,000 Iranian Shiite Muslims, it was called something different vis-a-vis the way they handled the deportations. Mind you, I’m a Bernie Sanders supporter, but the Carter analogy clearly applies – its just that Carter was a little more ‘sophisticated’ in the way the deportations were set up. Trump is clearly more brazen, and some might say, more honest about it.

    • Lincoln F. Sternn says:

      Iran – country
      Radical Islam – belief system/mental illness

      Like the war on terror/poverty/drugs/whatever, not winnable because you don’t have an actual enemy.

      • Mr T says:

        Islam is not a mental illness, any more than is Christianity in its many forms. I know it is a naive viewpoint, but I thought that both Canada and the US were formed by citizens escaping tyranny and looking for tolerance. Look at what we have become; in Canada, however, we got tired of Harper and turfed him out. Now it’s your turn to kick ding-dong Donald to the curb before he actually can do harm.

        • Lincoln F. Sternn says:

          No, Islam is not a mental illness, just like Christianity or any other faith of peace is not. Radicalism, however, is.
          Trust me, we are trying our best to get rid of Trump.

      • Rob S says:

        Radical Islam is also a set of organizations (to call it a mere ‘belief system’ is overly simplistic and not realistic) – they’re now called Islamic State (ISIS, ISIL, IS, or Daesh) and/or al Qaeda, they have organizations, borders, leaders, command structure, income, weapons, etc. The fact that we have enemies that may be harder to identify does not make the Carter analogy any less applicable – if anything, it means we have no be more careful, and more selective, in who we admit into this country and extend our freedom to.

  • Jacob Pankowski says:

    This is the most nonsensical counter-argument I’ve seen. Is the author suggesting that it is OK to ban all Israelis from entering a country because some of them might not be Jewish? And by the way that is precisely the policy of Afghanistan, Algeria, Bangladesh, Brunei, Oman, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Kuwait, Iran, Iraq, Sudan, Yemen, Malaysia, Pakistan,Indonesia, UAE. The author appears to support Carter’s racism against Iranians (because it is directed at a nationality not a religion — they were not all of one religion) but opposes the same action against a single religion. What makes the latter more heinous, in the author’s eyes, than the former?

    Moreover, the entire premise that hostage taking was an act of war is preposterous as is the notion that it is common practice to expel citizens of a hostile country during wartime. Did the US expel Germans? Italians? All Japanese? NO! Did we expel vietnamese? Koreans? NO.

    Whether you like or don’t like what Trump is proposing let’s not delude ourselves into thinking that Carter didn’t do a very similar thing.

    • Jim Schwab says:

      what you say is totally correct but it’s pointless, liberals only read headlines (this article has a catchy headline) and repeat these bumpsticker slogans over and over, makes them feel good that they are nice people, and that’s all that counts

    • Brian D. Gray says:

      No there is a big big difference and you know it….Carter banned people holding Iranian visas furthermore ones already in the country that had current visasc were allowed to stay…

  • lois merskin says:

    it may be impractical , it may be extreme but it is the LAW OF THE LAND! look it up. additionally, stop calling people idiots because they disagree with you.

  • naql99 says:

    The author’s argument is not compelling. I have a solution however, instead of singling out Muslims as a religion, a complete moratorium on immigration would be just fine with me. Review the processes and procedures, then make it much more difficult and selective when it is opened back up. Won’t vote for Trump, nor Hillary, but the “outrage” from the Social Justice Warriors is tiresome.

    • Mr T says:

      The only problem with that is that the rate of population increase in the US is 5.45 per 1000 and the population trend is in a moderately contracting; all this statistical stuff means is that, in the next 10 years there won’t be enough people in the working adults sector to pay taxes and support a reasonable standard of living. In Canada, we face a grimmer picture, but for both countries the only way to ensure our economy continues to “thrive” (I use that term loosely, because we’re not in great shape) is to have immigration. I also believe that both countries have a robust immigration-screening process to identify and prevent most undesirable people from entering. I would also point out that the overwhelming number of terrorist acts and deaths by gunfire have been caused by American citizens who are not Muslim. Donald Trump is either a clown or he is the most dangerous man in America, and he needs to be called out. I do not choose to believe that the majority of Americans support these “Hitleresque” policies, but the silent majority needs to begin speaking up, and that must include Republicans (who must surely be embarrassed by Captain Hair-Piece). Good luck.

  • Jim Schwab says:

    Nothing in this article supports that Carter’s actions were not VERY similar to Trumps statements.
    1. We are at or very near a war with Muslim Extremists. Surveys suggest 5-20% are ok with violence against the West to advance their religion and support jihad. i.e. killing us.
    2. Carter banned all Iranian’s, Trump wants to temporarily ban until we can figure this out. And obviously we’d figure out many Canadian Muslims will be safe, but some may not be.

    Pls research beyond Media Headlines……. Trump did not just say “Ban all Muslims” he said “temporarily until we can figure all this out”. Nazi’s were a minority of Germans but would you want any Germans traveling here in WW2? Iranian’s who supported hostage taking were a minority in Iran but we banned all Iranians. In these 2 cases a minority group who had a perverse ideology caused us to ban the larger group. Why do you care if it’s a country or a religion?

    • Brian D. Gray says:

      No it is a big difference and you know it,it’s one thing to target people holding visas from a certain country and quite another to target someone because of their religion…

  • Lincoln F. Sternn says:

    I really like Trump’s comments that this is all temporary until, “We can figure out what is going on.” Figure out what is going on? I guess you could be less specific, but I really don’t know how.

  • truthynesslover says:

    LOL!!

    Muslim extremists hate liberals too….so did Hitler and Stalin and MAO..

    Abdulla Akbar is that YOU?

    You sound just like the Muslim extremists and arent even bright enough to know it.Your are literally NO different that they are….and the irony is lost on you isnt it..

  • Jim Schwab says:

    btw… you’re cute when you’re angry!! 😉

  • Scott Kendall says:

    WE don’t want ISLAM here. And Muslims follow that faith.

  • Steve Sullivan Jr says:

    Wasn’t it Muslims that took the hostages?

  • Jason Carroll says:

    The U.S. completely closed all of it’s borders to any immigration several times over the past century and nobody had a major problem with it. If the U.S. is such a terrible place, like many of you allege, why would anyone want to come here in the first place? We’d be doing the world a favor to close the borders to EVERYONE until we figure out how to make sure terrorists can’t get in. And to the author…this is a bit different than the Iranian deal…namely, that shots HAVE been fired this time, the world is declaring war on ISIS, and something needs to be done. At least Trump isn’t afraid to float an idea out there. I haven’t seen anyone else come up with anything. And get your facts straight. Not all Muslims support terrorism like you imply. The issue is that every major terrorist attack has been by people claiming to be Muslim. If people from largely Muslim countries are blocked from entry TEMPORARILY until the DHS can find a better way to check their backgrounds, why in the world is that a bad thing? People opposed to this are as much as admitting that there is no possible way to vet these people properly. Once we figure out how to vet them, let them come.

  • disqus_9i6pUJ4xMT says:

    Anyone remember the Movie (1998) The Siege with Bruce WIllis and Denzel Washington. If Trump get his way that what he will do to the Muslims. Watch the movie,and it fix right into what going on here today.

  • DAN MARTIN says:

    I cant wait till they blow up your families. i suppose you will forgive them and ask them to be released because they are really a loving religion

    • Lincoln F. Sternn says:

      The irony of you wishing for someone’s family to be blown up while whining like a candyassfckingbitch about terrorists getting into the country from Syria is, I am certain, lost on you.

  • Ahhhh! Another liberal and another distinction without a difference.

    But thank you for giving me the opportunity to remind everyone that in addition to Carter’s action, the great liberal, Franklin Roosevelt, suspended immigration by executive order, and interned Japanese-Americans, German-Americans and Italian-Americans.

    And since it’s clear that you support the hegira, I sincerely hope that when Obama imports his brothers from Syria, he moves one Muslim family into the house on your right, and another into the house on the left, and another into the house across the street, and another abutting your back yard.

    Allahu-akbar, Bucko!

    • Lincoln F. Sternn says:

      Wow, you are one ignorant, deluded mthrfkr.
      If Obama has any “brothers,” you vile waste of sperm, they would be in Kenya, wouldn’t they? After all, that is where he was secretly born, right?

      • Muslim brothers, Lincoln, Muslim brothers. You know, from the Muslim Brotherhood.

        But I have a question for you, Why is it that you liberals are unable to communicate without the vilest of vulgarities?

        Was it your mother that taught you to speak like that?

        • Lincoln F. Sternn says:

          To address your second point first, it is because people like you don’t deserve the civilized niceties. It doesn’t have anything to do with liberal or conservative.
          And yes, in fact, it was. My mother could drink like a Sailor, cuss like a trucker, fight like a Marine and work like a Mexican. Like any good Irish woman, she was more of a man than America produces today.

          As to your first point, I just shake my head if you truly believe that nonsense.

          • Wow! I didn’t think it was possible to put so many bigoted, pejorative stereotypes into such a little screed.

            1. Drink like a Sailor.
            2. Cuss like a trucker.
            3. Work like a Mexican.

            You are a very sad case — and you blame it on your mother. She must be soooo proud.

          • Lincoln F. Sternn says:

            Ha, you goofy little twerp. Those comments were all the highest of praise.
            I’m not blaming it on my mother, I thank her every day for raising me to have a humane yet pragmatic view of the world.

            And (C)onservatives are always whining that (L)iberals are too easily offended.
            Sheesh! Grow the he!! up!

  • Alan Chandler says:

    I don’t think anyone hates the Syrians or any desparate people. It’s more complicated that. We are already loaded with immigrants that are a major problem and we are also loaded with homeless and basically poor people. We’re broke and living on borrowed money. These Muslim people need to be vetted better because all the terrorist acts were by legitimate immigrants and what they believe is against the constitution. I don’t trust Obama.

  • Lincoln F. Sternn says:

    Nice troll.
    I am certain someone will actually think you are serious and take offense.
    I look forward to following the exchange.

  • Lincoln F. Sternn says:

    And she got here by a long established vetting process.
    And, here is the point you people keep missing, both of them got radicalized while living in the good ol’ U.S. of A.
    Tell me, how could any of the crybaby, knee-jerk paranoia have prevented that?

  • Lincoln F. Sternn says:

    But, according to (C)onservative religion, Carter was one of the worst presidents this country has ever had. So, wouldn’t Trump doing the same things Carter did make you wonder about his qualifications?

  • Karen says:

    so it’s ok to ban iranians because they held hostages, but it’s NOT ok to ban muslims who kill Christians? HOW do we know which muslim is a terrorist and which one isn’t? WHY would it be so horrible to ban all muslims from coming here UNTIL we have a better vetting system? How about we ban ALL peole from foreign countries, from coming into our country? We’ll just ban EVERYONE so as not to piss off the CULT of islam!!!! SCREW THAT! We’ve had enough killings in THIS country by the muslims of islam! We AMERICANS need to ban together to protect each other! In Michigan, the city council is now made up of all muslims. They are now trying to implement their sharia law! Is THAT ok too? What happened to immigrants coming here and assimilating themselves to OUR ways? Isn’t that why they left their country? To come here and live a GOOD life? What’s so good about it if immigrants come here and demand WE live only by THEIR ways? You could NEVER do that in ANY other country! We can’t profile, we can say anything to offend, we can’t enjoy OUR ways because it may offend them? BULLSHIT! This is AMERICA! We’re made up of immigrants from ALL over the world and they come here BECAUSE this country is FREE! Our country is better than theirs, which is why the come here in the first place! Don’t come here and start DEMANDING we live by YOUR ways and DEMAND that we SUPPORT you and your families! Enough of this politically correct BULLSHIT! The truth HURTS! Those who have nothing to hide, HIDE NOTHING! Let the mosques here in the US open their doors to EVERYONE like our CHURCHES do! How many mosques are breeding grounds for islamic terrorists? How many mosques are affiliated with the muslim brotherhood? Is THAT what you want for our country? NOT ME! THIS country was built around CHRISTIANITY! Yes, I know, Christians did their fair share of killing innocents. But guess what?We’re NOT LIVING THAT WAY NOW!!!!! WE don’t go around killing people because they don’t believe in OUR God! We don’t go killing our family members because they’ve done something to disgrace the family, or didn’t marry the ‘same kind’, or stone a family member because of adultery. WE don’t have men who marry YOUNG GIRLS. WE don’t have genital mutilation ! So if it hurts anyone ‘feelings’ because we don’t want people who live in a CULT and follow the rantings of a PEDOPHILE, EXCUSE ME! We have more than enough of our own citizens that are killing and raping us here. We do NOT need to import more! Put a ban on ALL foreigners from coming here until we can properly VETT who is coming in. Oh, and how do you feel about the muslims who are now producing FAKE PASSPORTS? Does THAT make you feel safe?? HOW do we vett them now?????

    • Lincoln F. Sternn says:

      Better vetting system?
      Ban ALL people from foreign countries?
      Are you friggin’ mental?
      Unless you know a bunch of really good psychics who want to work for Homeland Security or Immigration, the vetting system isn’t going to get much better.

      And In case you didn’t notice, most of the mass killings lately have been by homegrown white (C)onservative lunatics.

  • Jeff Brady says:

    Oh I forgot, we aren’t at war with ISIS.

  • Rob S says:

    Such an ignorant statement – want to explain how a President, whoever they are, will change the form of our government to a “dictatorship”?

  • Cole Alexander says:

    Well this is what I get for reading satiracal news, a bunch of idiots in the comments making my head hurt… Liberals!

  • medbob says:

    The federal law regarding immigration states that the president can exclude “any class” of aliens. That means for any reason whatsoever. Immigration is NOT a right and Aliens do not have Constitutional Rights. My preference would be for Huckabee’s specification of Countries from which we will not receive Aliens, but it is perfectly obvious that the idea to accept 10,000 refugees from Syria into the country is blatant and obvious madness.
    Oh, and you mention above, Carter’s action was justified because we were at war with the Iranians. Just the other day, agents claimed by ISIS attacked a Christmas Party and killed 14 and wounded many more. Given that they openly say that they are infiltrating refugees, and given the fact that countries accepting these refugees confirm the nefarious nature of these refugees (to include PARIS), is it anything but madness to transport these people thousands of miles and drop them into the US without the means (or even the effort) to properly vet them???

  • scooter says:

    “Now unlike Muslims, Iranians were not necessarily supportive of Islamic terrorism”
    Lol, that’s so precious, what country are Muslims from if it isn’t from the Islamic Republic of Iran? Dumbass.

  • scooter says:

    It was the Clinton administration that believed that there were
    WMD’s being made, used, and stored in Iraq, Bush followed that intel, and turned out they were right, that’s why Bush had such overwhelming support from the Dems. It’s cool if you fact check stupid assed rumors before parroting them.

  • mmazzi says:

    Carter did it. We are in a far worse a position, stupid dolt of political junkieism and controversy. Nothing else to do but wish our country go down? Get a real job not around people. Dog walker; anything but here.

  • mmazzi says:

    Carter did it. We are in a far worse position, stupid dolt of political junkieism and controversy. Nothing else to do but wish our country go down? Get a real job not around people. Dog walker; anything but here.

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